
◄ Chat Log 09.05.2018 ►
[00:17:30]
Vatruvius
:ptv-sleepy: I am so tired. Both physically and mentally. I think all this finals studying and projects are catching up with me.
[00:44:56]
Vatruvius
Good night to anyone still on and checking the chat
[00:45:00]
Vatruvius
:ptv-greetings:
[10:24:27]
Vatruvius
I am just not getting any good sleep...:ptv-sleepy:
[10:24:53]
Vatruvius
E-gasp...Bgr is not online! :ptv-shock:
[10:24:56]
Vatruvius
:P
[11:45:18]
Bgrmystr2
Just got woken up by the streamer going live sound
[11:45:29]
Bgrmystr2
and yeah the chat disconnected on me
[11:45:38]
Bgrmystr2
perma-reconnecting loop as usual
[11:46:07]
Bgrmystr2
Damn, the new design is trash, isn't it?
[11:46:10]
Bgrmystr2
such a downgrade
[11:46:16]
BadFoMo
Yep.
[11:46:33]
Bgrmystr2
Pity
[11:47:00]
Bgrmystr2
the old one was sleek and stylish.. this one looks like it never even finished beta
[11:50:27]
BadFoMo
Why do they feel like they need to change ALL the things? Just fix the bugs and maybe split options into more refined options/add more options, and that's it.
[11:51:12]
Bgrmystr2
Like we needed more garbage bars in front of the stream window
[11:51:16]
Bgrmystr2
-_-
[11:53:13]
Bgrmystr2
anycase, gonna grab somethin to drink and go back to sleep
[11:53:46]
Bgrmystr2
RIP site:ptv-unimpressed:
[12:21:02]
Vatruvius
I kinda like it, looks like Tom's offline image is working now.
[12:21:18]
Vatruvius
Going to make some breakfast, be back later.
[14:57:34]
Bgrmystr2
The colors and stuff seem okay, but it's overall bad. If this was the original design and always had been, it's not.. bad.. but it's worse than what we had
[14:58:20]
Bgrmystr2
the whole point of a UI is to be minimalistic. Drag user focus to the main reason why they're here, the stream and the chat :/
[14:59:09]
Bgrmystr2
they've just added two bars that take away from the stream size itself that which do not add to the experience in any way
[14:59:49]
Bgrmystr2
We already had all the buttons that existed besides the go live button, which isn't even on the new bar they added..
[15:00:32]
Bgrmystr2
The only thing they've done is moved a bunch of things to two bars above and below the stream to make the stream size smaller.
[15:00:41]
Bgrmystr2
and that's bad, not good
[15:01:02]
Bgrmystr2
increasing clutter is never a good thing :/
[15:03:49]
Bgrmystr2
:rolling_eyes: Makes me wonder if they have a QA department for UI
[15:04:24]
Bgrmystr2
I guess most companies don't, considering how bad UIs are getting for so many programs
[15:09:41]
Bgrmystr2
also, the bar below the stream which has nothing of value on it.. is actually in front of the stream window. You can see it cover up the bottom when zooming in/out the page
[15:45:24]
zolstarym
The character limit seems to be gone and the past videos popup thing is gone so at least it is better than yesterday
[15:46:53]
SpazztasticKiwi
I found $20 on the roadside :ctwokinds-adiracoin:
[15:50:30]
SpazztasticKiwi
But with the update, it’s just made everything smaller. They finally fixed so the chat doesn’t sit on the userlist when you swap menus
[15:51:02]
Bgrmystr2
:thinking: Did it ever do that?
[15:51:05]
SpazztasticKiwi
And all the menus are actually visible and usable
[15:51:10]
SpazztasticKiwi
It did for me
[15:51:19]
Bgrmystr2
Never happened to be, that's strange
[15:51:24]
Bgrmystr2
me* ffs
[15:52:06]
SpazztasticKiwi
Made whispering and checking who was available hard
[15:52:29]
Bgrmystr2
I just clicked the person's name who I was whispering in the chat
[15:52:40]
Bgrmystr2
cuz they didn't bother to save the name you were whispering after you pressed enter..
[15:53:03]
SpazztasticKiwi
And for me the usernames are a bit larger, and in bold
[15:53:28]
Bgrmystr2
yeh they're a bit harder to read now, the letters blend into themselves and others
[15:53:37]
Bgrmystr2
Not a fan
[16:21:22]
SpazztasticKiwi
And there’s also no more time stamps and it takes forever to reload when you leave
[16:42:02]
Bgrmystr2
eh? not for me
[16:42:06]
Bgrmystr2
I have timestamps still
[16:42:23]
Bgrmystr2
they're still fuckin wrong as hell :ptv-unimpressed:
[16:42:33]
Bgrmystr2
nice to see nothing ever changes
[17:08:08]
Vatruvius
The user list being covered by chat is on the mobile app Bgr, so that is fixed. And I have timestamps enabled on the app so check your settings Kiwi.
[17:10:13]
Vatruvius
It is nice that most of the things on tge mobile app are in working order. Before it was barely operable.
[17:10:22]
Vatruvius
the
[17:11:50]
Vatruvius
And after my 45 minute commute I have turned in my assignments and get to commute back home after just 20 minutes. :ptv-unimpressed:
[17:18:36]
Bgrmystr2
I doubt the fixes for the app needed the UI change, though
[17:18:42]
Bgrmystr2
but it's good that the app is working
[17:18:51]
Bgrmystr2
well, moreso than it was
[17:25:18]
SpazztasticKiwi
Why is that a thing you have to enable
[17:26:12]
Bgrmystr2
:thinking: not everyone likes timestamps
[17:26:38]
Bgrmystr2
I mean, I'd rather them on, but giving the option is always the best
[17:27:54]
SpazztasticKiwi
Maybe the streams will actually work on the app now
[17:28:46]
SpazztasticKiwi
Doubt it, but there’s hope
[18:01:23]
Vatruvius
^We can only hope Kiwi.
[18:06:03]
Vatruvius
Is Tom going to stream on Mother's Day?
[18:33:00]
SpazztasticKiwi
That depends on if his mom suckers him into something
[18:33:56]
SpazztasticKiwi
Well maybe not “suckers”
[18:34:00]
Vatruvius
I see.
[18:37:00]
SpazztasticKiwi
We’ll just have to see. Or ask next time he’s on
[18:39:33]
Vatruvius
Yeah, he has been off for a while.
[18:46:55]
SpazztasticKiwi
Only about a day so far. Probably finishing those hedges
[18:57:29]
Vatruvius
Is he hedge trimming?
[19:02:34]
SpazztasticKiwi
He mentioned that was what he was doing earlier the other day and that’s why he didn’t do the makeup stream
[19:03:33]
Vatruvius
I see.
[19:03:48]
Vatruvius
A reasonable excuse, I will let it pass this one time...
[19:04:01]
Vatruvius
:ptv-hearts:
[19:24:56]
CrRAR
Oh nice, Flora's back.
[19:25:18]
Bgrmystr2
Yeah, she is. Unfortunately, the bottom of the image is covered
[19:31:35]
Vatruvius
I think the image may have to be rescaled, but I am not sure.
[19:37:45]
CrRAR
Oh yeah, though it depends on the window size.
[19:38:01]
CrRAR
Damn picarto
[19:40:23]
Vatruvius
Let my check my browser.
[19:41:30]
Vatruvius
The image loads normally for me on my main browser. Looks just as it did before.
[19:41:45]
Vatruvius
But I think it depends on how big your chat window is.
[19:41:57]
CrRAR
yeah, the borders adapt funkily now.
[19:42:18]
Bgrmystr2
I am running the chat at the smallest size, which was default when I reloaded the page
[19:42:23]
Bgrmystr2
at a standard 1080p resolution
[19:42:31]
Bgrmystr2
and her foot is cut off at the bottom
[19:42:39]
Bgrmystr2
so they definitely fucked it up
[19:42:51]
CrRAR
Oh yeah, no question
[19:43:06]
CrRAR
If I have it full screen her foot is cut off.
[19:43:18]
CrRAR
and her knee
[19:43:27]
Bgrmystr2
yeah
[19:43:51]
Bgrmystr2
her knee is just above the cutoff for me, slightly
[19:44:21]
CrRAR
If I have it windowed and more square she's all there... but the narrower the more the left/right gets squashed,
[19:44:26]
CrRAR
yeah
[19:44:53]
Bgrmystr2
yeh, it's only because they put these stupid bars at the top and bottom of the screen and squish the stream window itself
[19:45:02]
Bgrmystr2
making it smaller
[19:45:07]
Bgrmystr2
which fucks with the resolution sizes
[19:45:31]
CrRAR
PRAISE BARS
[19:45:39]
CrRAR
(that's totally what we're here to see)
[19:45:52]
Bgrmystr2
I will not. :ptv-unimpressed:
[19:45:56]
Bgrmystr2
Bars can die
[19:46:02]
Bgrmystr2
these two, anyway
[19:46:32]
CrRAR
I know what happened to GUI's becoming more... out of the way.
[19:47:08]
Bgrmystr2
That's the purpose of them. To be as minimal as possible while providing all the necessary information and tools
[19:47:17]
CrRAR
Web 1.0 is fighting back it seems,
[19:47:19]
Bgrmystr2
so your focus is the content and not on the UI itself :/
[19:47:30]
CrRAR
yeah
[19:47:50]
Bgrmystr2
This was a big step backwards
[19:48:02]
Bgrmystr2
:/
[19:48:23]
CrRAR
At least the Videos button today isn's "Hey! Listen!"ing constantly.
[19:49:05]
CrRAR
Also, the recordings history went further back before right?
[19:49:05]
Bgrmystr2
by the time the chat forced my client to disconnect permanantly from the chat and die.. that wasn't an issue
[19:49:13]
CrRAR
haha
[19:49:19]
CrRAR
it was inevitable
[19:49:21]
Bgrmystr2
so I missed that, thankfully :v
[19:49:23]
Bgrmystr2
yeah it was
[19:49:34]
Vatruvius
So much chat!
[19:49:37]
Vatruvius
Agh!
[19:49:41]
Vatruvius
Must...catch...up!
[19:49:42]
Bgrmystr2
I was gonna have to restart my browswer by Friday night anyway..
[19:49:51]
Bgrmystr2
Wb Vatru, take your time :)
[19:53:25]
unsteddyphoenix
Did they make the text brighter?
[19:53:56]
Bgrmystr2
from.. last night when they implemented it? By the look of the screenshot I was given, it does seem like it
[19:54:18]
unsteddyphoenix
Huh. That was fast.
[19:54:21]
Vatruvius
Yeah, it is brighter.
[19:54:29]
Vatruvius
And caught up at last.
[19:54:35]
CrRAR
whooptiidoo
[19:54:39]
Bgrmystr2
xD
[19:54:42]
unsteddyphoenix
Well that was my main annoyance tbh lol
[19:54:50]
CrRAR
Oh
[19:54:50]
unsteddyphoenix
That and the videos popup thing
[19:54:59]
CrRAR
They killed the character counter
[19:55:06]
CrRAR
yeah
[19:55:16]
Bgrmystr2
my biggest annoyance was the addition of empty space that block tom's stream
[19:55:30]
Bgrmystr2
Everything else eh
[19:56:09]
Bgrmystr2
I actually tried to see what it would look like if I used Ublock to block some of the elements, but the UI functions in such a way that it doesn't make the streaming window any bigger..
[19:56:45]
Bgrmystr2
they're coded specifically to block part of the window and automatically adjust to do so
[19:56:52]
Bgrmystr2
>:T
[20:15:03]
Vatruvius
For mine I am not getting any of this reduced or blocked stream window...so I do not know what your guys are talking about.
[20:16:29]
CrRAR
It just depends on your screen res/aspect ratio
[20:16:55]
Bgrmystr2
Probably because you don't have a before/after comparison Vatru.
[20:16:59]
Bgrmystr2
Here sec
[20:17:22]
Bgrmystr2
This is what it looked like for me before. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250139544517607424/443565684362838036/firefox_2018-05-08_19-11-29.png
[20:17:36]
Bgrmystr2
And this is after https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250139544517607424/443944436976582666/firefox_2018-05-09_20-16-18.png
[20:18:22]
Bgrmystr2
There's a huge bar above and below the stream image on the new one that blocks the streaming window
[20:18:36]
Bgrmystr2
you can see the difference
[20:19:28]
CrRAR
yeah the wider aspect your screen the more the bottom gets cut off. That's why mine's missing the knee too, I have a 21:9.
[20:19:48]
CrRAR
If I keep it windowed at 2/3s the screen it's okay.
[20:20:05]
Bgrmystr2
1080p is 16:9, so yeh, that's why the foot is cut off for me but her knee isn't
[20:20:08]
CrRAR
I wonder how it looks on a 16:10, that might be a sweet spot.
[20:20:26]
Bgrmystr2
dunno, but that's not a very widespread resolution
[20:20:36]
Bgrmystr2
so I'm not sure why they would pick that as a sweet spot
[20:20:36]
CrRAR
Yeah just a tad taller.
[20:20:45]
CrRAR
1920x1200
[20:20:54]
Bgrmystr2
probably
[20:20:57]
CrRAR
Might actually be perfect.
[20:21:05]
Vatruvius
More chat! Agh!
[20:21:08]
Bgrmystr2
can't test it myself lol
[20:21:13]
CrRAR
I wonder if the devs are developing exclusively on 16:10 XD
[20:21:23]
CrRAR
"Hey! Works for us!"
[20:21:24]
Bgrmystr2
it might be, Cr
[20:21:26]
CrRAR
XD
[20:21:43]
Bgrmystr2
anything that works for them won't possibly look fucking horribad for anyone else, right? Right? :V
[20:21:51]
CrRAR
indeed
[20:22:02]
Bgrmystr2
cuz that's how anything works...
[20:22:37]
CrRAR
I'll hook up my 16:10 to see how it looks
[20:23:25]
Bgrmystr2
everything I have is 16:9 or 4:3 I believe
[20:25:30]
Vatruvius
Try enlarging the chat window, you can resize it now. Works fine for me. If you resize it the resolution will adjust showing more or less depending on how you resize the chat window.
[20:25:56]
Bgrmystr2
actually, it may be 5:4 that I have, 1280x1024
[20:26:09]
Bgrmystr2
for a couple monitors I don't use
[20:26:20]
Bgrmystr2
also, I'm not trying to make the stream window smaller, Vatru
[20:26:26]
Bgrmystr2
that's going backwards
[20:26:32]
Bgrmystr2
I'm trying to make the stream window bigger
[20:26:48]
Bgrmystr2
which is the whole point I'm trying to make xD
[20:27:03]
Bgrmystr2
also, you could always resize the chat window
[20:27:19]
Bgrmystr2
ever since I joined, if I recall correctly, like two years ago
[20:27:26]
Bgrmystr2
so probably before that as well
[20:28:59]
CrRAR
We may have cracked the code boys:
[20:29:05]
CrRAR
https://i.imgur.com/z4WRv2e.jpg
[20:29:08]
CrRAR
on a 1920x1200
[20:29:19]
Bgrmystr2
:thinking:
[20:29:27]
Bgrmystr2
yup, looks about right then
[20:30:00]
Bgrmystr2
they're designing the UI around a specific resolution instead of around variable resolution which it used to be
[20:30:15]
Bgrmystr2
pity, that. Only moving backwards.
[20:30:23]
CrRAR
yeah lol
[20:30:41]
CrRAR
If I do a full screen on that res still looks good too.
[20:31:33]
CrRAR
I'm pissed though too because on my 21:9 it used to fit fantastically if I fullscreened the browser and adjusted the chat just right,
[20:32:21]
CrRAR
I can kinda sill do that but the chat has to be like 1/3rd the screen. pfhh
[20:32:39]
Bgrmystr2
It's never not fit no matter what size I had because Picarto never had anything blocking the stream video
[20:32:56]
Bgrmystr2
if I made it smaller, the video just resized and everything resized around it
[20:33:49]
Bgrmystr2
the video was the focus point, there wasn't anything that changed the size of the video or blocked it beyond the chat window which you could close or open to many different widths
[20:34:46]
Bgrmystr2
I can't scroll down the entire screen below the bar above the stream, or I'd do so
[20:35:04]
Bgrmystr2
and it wouldn't matter cuz the bar under the stream blocks part of it cuz of the ui implementation
[20:35:19]
Bgrmystr2
Super sad
[20:35:20]
CrRAR
yeah
[20:35:40]
CrRAR
They shouldn't have bezeled it like they did.
[20:37:12]
Bgrmystr2
:ptv-sad: I need to get somethin to eat
[20:37:16]
Bgrmystr2
but I don't wanna.
[20:43:52]
Vatruvius
I feel like when the redesigned the UI the used a new application to remake the webpage or something so they are still learning it and did not realize that the way they did it has this issue.
[20:43:59]
Vatruvius
Best case scenario.
[20:51:48]
Bgrmystr2
hmmm? I would consider that a problem if it passed QA
[20:51:58]
Bgrmystr2
Though I don't know if they /have/ QA
[20:52:05]
Bgrmystr2
..which is a problem in and of itself xD
[20:53:40]
Bgrmystr2
but yeah if all they have are 16:10 resolutions, they could possibly not have any issue, but they can't be that bad off to not realize how the site would react to different resolutions..
[20:53:53]
Bgrmystr2
:thinking:
[20:56:35]
Vatruvius
I am sure they are working to resolve any issues with the new UI.
[20:56:43]
Vatruvius
I bet their email is flooded right now.
[21:41:48]
NightMeaty22
Hello
[21:43:40]
Vatruvius
Hey.