◄ Chat Log 09.05.2018 ►

[00:17:30] Vatruvius :ptv-sleepy: I am so tired. Both physically and mentally. I think all this finals studying and projects are catching up with me.

[00:44:56] Vatruvius Good night to anyone still on and checking the chat

[00:45:00] Vatruvius :ptv-greetings:

[10:24:27] Vatruvius I am just not getting any good sleep...:ptv-sleepy:

[10:24:53] Vatruvius E-gasp...Bgr is not online! :ptv-shock:

[10:24:56] Vatruvius :P

[11:45:18] Bgrmystr2 Just got woken up by the streamer going live sound

[11:45:29] Bgrmystr2 and yeah the chat disconnected on me

[11:45:38] Bgrmystr2 perma-reconnecting loop as usual

[11:46:07] Bgrmystr2 Damn, the new design is trash, isn't it?

[11:46:10] Bgrmystr2 such a downgrade

[11:46:16] BadFoMo Yep.

[11:46:33] Bgrmystr2 Pity

[11:47:00] Bgrmystr2 the old one was sleek and stylish.. this one looks like it never even finished beta

[11:50:27] BadFoMo Why do they feel like they need to change ALL the things? Just fix the bugs and maybe split options into more refined options/add more options, and that's it.

[11:51:12] Bgrmystr2 Like we needed more garbage bars in front of the stream window

[11:51:16] Bgrmystr2 -_-

[11:53:13] Bgrmystr2 anycase, gonna grab somethin to drink and go back to sleep

[11:53:46] Bgrmystr2 RIP site:ptv-unimpressed:

[12:21:02] Vatruvius I kinda like it, looks like Tom's offline image is working now.

[12:21:18] Vatruvius Going to make some breakfast, be back later.

[14:57:34] Bgrmystr2 The colors and stuff seem okay, but it's overall bad. If this was the original design and always had been, it's not.. bad.. but it's worse than what we had

[14:58:20] Bgrmystr2 the whole point of a UI is to be minimalistic. Drag user focus to the main reason why they're here, the stream and the chat :/

[14:59:09] Bgrmystr2 they've just added two bars that take away from the stream size itself that which do not add to the experience in any way

[14:59:49] Bgrmystr2 We already had all the buttons that existed besides the go live button, which isn't even on the new bar they added..

[15:00:32] Bgrmystr2 The only thing they've done is moved a bunch of things to two bars above and below the stream to make the stream size smaller.

[15:00:41] Bgrmystr2 and that's bad, not good

[15:01:02] Bgrmystr2 increasing clutter is never a good thing :/

[15:03:49] Bgrmystr2 :rolling_eyes: Makes me wonder if they have a QA department for UI

[15:04:24] Bgrmystr2 I guess most companies don't, considering how bad UIs are getting for so many programs

[15:09:41] Bgrmystr2 also, the bar below the stream which has nothing of value on it.. is actually in front of the stream window. You can see it cover up the bottom when zooming in/out the page

[15:45:24] zolstarym The character limit seems to be gone and the past videos popup thing is gone so at least it is better than yesterday

[15:46:53] SpazztasticKiwi I found $20 on the roadside :ctwokinds-adiracoin:

[15:50:30] SpazztasticKiwi But with the update, it’s just made everything smaller. They finally fixed so the chat doesn’t sit on the userlist when you swap menus

[15:51:02] Bgrmystr2 :thinking: Did it ever do that?

[15:51:05] SpazztasticKiwi And all the menus are actually visible and usable

[15:51:10] SpazztasticKiwi It did for me

[15:51:19] Bgrmystr2 Never happened to be, that's strange

[15:51:24] Bgrmystr2 me* ffs

[15:52:06] SpazztasticKiwi Made whispering and checking who was available hard

[15:52:29] Bgrmystr2 I just clicked the person's name who I was whispering in the chat

[15:52:40] Bgrmystr2 cuz they didn't bother to save the name you were whispering after you pressed enter..

[15:53:03] SpazztasticKiwi And for me the usernames are a bit larger, and in bold

[15:53:28] Bgrmystr2 yeh they're a bit harder to read now, the letters blend into themselves and others

[15:53:37] Bgrmystr2 Not a fan

[16:21:22] SpazztasticKiwi And there’s also no more time stamps and it takes forever to reload when you leave

[16:42:02] Bgrmystr2 eh? not for me

[16:42:06] Bgrmystr2 I have timestamps still

[16:42:23] Bgrmystr2 they're still fuckin wrong as hell :ptv-unimpressed:

[16:42:33] Bgrmystr2 nice to see nothing ever changes

[17:08:08] Vatruvius The user list being covered by chat is on the mobile app Bgr, so that is fixed. And I have timestamps enabled on the app so check your settings Kiwi.

[17:10:13] Vatruvius It is nice that most of the things on tge mobile app are in working order. Before it was barely operable.

[17:10:22] Vatruvius the

[17:11:50] Vatruvius And after my 45 minute commute I have turned in my assignments and get to commute back home after just 20 minutes. :ptv-unimpressed:

[17:18:36] Bgrmystr2 I doubt the fixes for the app needed the UI change, though

[17:18:42] Bgrmystr2 but it's good that the app is working

[17:18:51] Bgrmystr2 well, moreso than it was

[17:25:18] SpazztasticKiwi Why is that a thing you have to enable

[17:26:12] Bgrmystr2 :thinking: not everyone likes timestamps

[17:26:38] Bgrmystr2 I mean, I'd rather them on, but giving the option is always the best

[17:27:54] SpazztasticKiwi Maybe the streams will actually work on the app now

[17:28:46] SpazztasticKiwi Doubt it, but there’s hope

[18:01:23] Vatruvius ^We can only hope Kiwi.

[18:06:03] Vatruvius Is Tom going to stream on Mother's Day?

[18:33:00] SpazztasticKiwi That depends on if his mom suckers him into something

[18:33:56] SpazztasticKiwi Well maybe not “suckers”

[18:34:00] Vatruvius I see.

[18:37:00] SpazztasticKiwi We’ll just have to see. Or ask next time he’s on

[18:39:33] Vatruvius Yeah, he has been off for a while.

[18:46:55] SpazztasticKiwi Only about a day so far. Probably finishing those hedges

[18:57:29] Vatruvius Is he hedge trimming?

[19:02:34] SpazztasticKiwi He mentioned that was what he was doing earlier the other day and that’s why he didn’t do the makeup stream

[19:03:33] Vatruvius I see.

[19:03:48] Vatruvius A reasonable excuse, I will let it pass this one time...

[19:04:01] Vatruvius :ptv-hearts:

[19:24:56] CrRAR Oh nice, Flora's back.

[19:25:18] Bgrmystr2 Yeah, she is. Unfortunately, the bottom of the image is covered

[19:31:35] Vatruvius I think the image may have to be rescaled, but I am not sure.

[19:37:45] CrRAR Oh yeah, though it depends on the window size.

[19:38:01] CrRAR Damn picarto

[19:40:23] Vatruvius Let my check my browser.

[19:41:30] Vatruvius The image loads normally for me on my main browser. Looks just as it did before.

[19:41:45] Vatruvius But I think it depends on how big your chat window is.

[19:41:57] CrRAR yeah, the borders adapt funkily now.

[19:42:18] Bgrmystr2 I am running the chat at the smallest size, which was default when I reloaded the page

[19:42:23] Bgrmystr2 at a standard 1080p resolution

[19:42:31] Bgrmystr2 and her foot is cut off at the bottom

[19:42:39] Bgrmystr2 so they definitely fucked it up

[19:42:51] CrRAR Oh yeah, no question

[19:43:06] CrRAR If I have it full screen her foot is cut off.

[19:43:18] CrRAR and her knee

[19:43:27] Bgrmystr2 yeah

[19:43:51] Bgrmystr2 her knee is just above the cutoff for me, slightly

[19:44:21] CrRAR If I have it windowed and more square she's all there... but the narrower the more the left/right gets squashed,

[19:44:26] CrRAR yeah

[19:44:53] Bgrmystr2 yeh, it's only because they put these stupid bars at the top and bottom of the screen and squish the stream window itself

[19:45:02] Bgrmystr2 making it smaller

[19:45:07] Bgrmystr2 which fucks with the resolution sizes

[19:45:31] CrRAR PRAISE BARS

[19:45:39] CrRAR (that's totally what we're here to see)

[19:45:52] Bgrmystr2 I will not. :ptv-unimpressed:

[19:45:56] Bgrmystr2 Bars can die

[19:46:02] Bgrmystr2 these two, anyway

[19:46:32] CrRAR I know what happened to GUI's becoming more... out of the way.

[19:47:08] Bgrmystr2 That's the purpose of them. To be as minimal as possible while providing all the necessary information and tools

[19:47:17] CrRAR Web 1.0 is fighting back it seems,

[19:47:19] Bgrmystr2 so your focus is the content and not on the UI itself :/

[19:47:30] CrRAR yeah

[19:47:50] Bgrmystr2 This was a big step backwards

[19:48:02] Bgrmystr2 :/

[19:48:23] CrRAR At least the Videos button today isn's "Hey! Listen!"ing constantly.

[19:49:05] CrRAR Also, the recordings history went further back before right?

[19:49:05] Bgrmystr2 by the time the chat forced my client to disconnect permanantly from the chat and die.. that wasn't an issue

[19:49:13] CrRAR haha

[19:49:19] CrRAR it was inevitable

[19:49:21] Bgrmystr2 so I missed that, thankfully :v

[19:49:23] Bgrmystr2 yeah it was

[19:49:34] Vatruvius So much chat!

[19:49:37] Vatruvius Agh!

[19:49:41] Vatruvius Must...catch...up!

[19:49:42] Bgrmystr2 I was gonna have to restart my browswer by Friday night anyway..

[19:49:51] Bgrmystr2 Wb Vatru, take your time :)

[19:53:25] unsteddyphoenix Did they make the text brighter?

[19:53:56] Bgrmystr2 from.. last night when they implemented it? By the look of the screenshot I was given, it does seem like it

[19:54:18] unsteddyphoenix Huh. That was fast.

[19:54:21] Vatruvius Yeah, it is brighter.

[19:54:29] Vatruvius And caught up at last.

[19:54:35] CrRAR whooptiidoo

[19:54:39] Bgrmystr2 xD

[19:54:42] unsteddyphoenix Well that was my main annoyance tbh lol

[19:54:50] CrRAR Oh

[19:54:50] unsteddyphoenix That and the videos popup thing

[19:54:59] CrRAR They killed the character counter

[19:55:06] CrRAR yeah

[19:55:16] Bgrmystr2 my biggest annoyance was the addition of empty space that block tom's stream

[19:55:30] Bgrmystr2 Everything else eh

[19:56:09] Bgrmystr2 I actually tried to see what it would look like if I used Ublock to block some of the elements, but the UI functions in such a way that it doesn't make the streaming window any bigger..

[19:56:45] Bgrmystr2 they're coded specifically to block part of the window and automatically adjust to do so

[19:56:52] Bgrmystr2 >:T

[20:15:03] Vatruvius For mine I am not getting any of this reduced or blocked stream window...so I do not know what your guys are talking about.

[20:16:29] CrRAR It just depends on your screen res/aspect ratio

[20:16:55] Bgrmystr2 Probably because you don't have a before/after comparison Vatru.

[20:16:59] Bgrmystr2 Here sec

[20:17:22] Bgrmystr2 This is what it looked like for me before. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250139544517607424/443565684362838036/firefox_2018-05-08_19-11-29.png

[20:17:36] Bgrmystr2 And this is after https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250139544517607424/443944436976582666/firefox_2018-05-09_20-16-18.png

[20:18:22] Bgrmystr2 There's a huge bar above and below the stream image on the new one that blocks the streaming window

[20:18:36] Bgrmystr2 you can see the difference

[20:19:28] CrRAR yeah the wider aspect your screen the more the bottom gets cut off. That's why mine's missing the knee too, I have a 21:9.

[20:19:48] CrRAR If I keep it windowed at 2/3s the screen it's okay.

[20:20:05] Bgrmystr2 1080p is 16:9, so yeh, that's why the foot is cut off for me but her knee isn't

[20:20:08] CrRAR I wonder how it looks on a 16:10, that might be a sweet spot.

[20:20:26] Bgrmystr2 dunno, but that's not a very widespread resolution

[20:20:36] Bgrmystr2 so I'm not sure why they would pick that as a sweet spot

[20:20:36] CrRAR Yeah just a tad taller.

[20:20:45] CrRAR 1920x1200

[20:20:54] Bgrmystr2 probably

[20:20:57] CrRAR Might actually be perfect.

[20:21:05] Vatruvius More chat! Agh!

[20:21:08] Bgrmystr2 can't test it myself lol

[20:21:13] CrRAR I wonder if the devs are developing exclusively on 16:10 XD

[20:21:23] CrRAR "Hey! Works for us!"

[20:21:24] Bgrmystr2 it might be, Cr

[20:21:26] CrRAR XD

[20:21:43] Bgrmystr2 anything that works for them won't possibly look fucking horribad for anyone else, right? Right? :V

[20:21:51] CrRAR indeed

[20:22:02] Bgrmystr2 cuz that's how anything works...

[20:22:37] CrRAR I'll hook up my 16:10 to see how it looks

[20:23:25] Bgrmystr2 everything I have is 16:9 or 4:3 I believe

[20:25:30] Vatruvius Try enlarging the chat window, you can resize it now. Works fine for me. If you resize it the resolution will adjust showing more or less depending on how you resize the chat window.

[20:25:56] Bgrmystr2 actually, it may be 5:4 that I have, 1280x1024

[20:26:09] Bgrmystr2 for a couple monitors I don't use

[20:26:20] Bgrmystr2 also, I'm not trying to make the stream window smaller, Vatru

[20:26:26] Bgrmystr2 that's going backwards

[20:26:32] Bgrmystr2 I'm trying to make the stream window bigger

[20:26:48] Bgrmystr2 which is the whole point I'm trying to make xD

[20:27:03] Bgrmystr2 also, you could always resize the chat window

[20:27:19] Bgrmystr2 ever since I joined, if I recall correctly, like two years ago

[20:27:26] Bgrmystr2 so probably before that as well

[20:28:59] CrRAR We may have cracked the code boys:

[20:29:05] CrRAR https://i.imgur.com/z4WRv2e.jpg

[20:29:08] CrRAR on a 1920x1200

[20:29:19] Bgrmystr2 :thinking:

[20:29:27] Bgrmystr2 yup, looks about right then

[20:30:00] Bgrmystr2 they're designing the UI around a specific resolution instead of around variable resolution which it used to be

[20:30:15] Bgrmystr2 pity, that. Only moving backwards.

[20:30:23] CrRAR yeah lol

[20:30:41] CrRAR If I do a full screen on that res still looks good too.

[20:31:33] CrRAR I'm pissed though too because on my 21:9 it used to fit fantastically if I fullscreened the browser and adjusted the chat just right,

[20:32:21] CrRAR I can kinda sill do that but the chat has to be like 1/3rd the screen. pfhh

[20:32:39] Bgrmystr2 It's never not fit no matter what size I had because Picarto never had anything blocking the stream video

[20:32:56] Bgrmystr2 if I made it smaller, the video just resized and everything resized around it

[20:33:49] Bgrmystr2 the video was the focus point, there wasn't anything that changed the size of the video or blocked it beyond the chat window which you could close or open to many different widths

[20:34:46] Bgrmystr2 I can't scroll down the entire screen below the bar above the stream, or I'd do so

[20:35:04] Bgrmystr2 and it wouldn't matter cuz the bar under the stream blocks part of it cuz of the ui implementation

[20:35:19] Bgrmystr2 Super sad

[20:35:20] CrRAR yeah

[20:35:40] CrRAR They shouldn't have bezeled it like they did.

[20:37:12] Bgrmystr2 :ptv-sad: I need to get somethin to eat

[20:37:16] Bgrmystr2 but I don't wanna.

[20:43:52] Vatruvius I feel like when the redesigned the UI the used a new application to remake the webpage or something so they are still learning it and did not realize that the way they did it has this issue.

[20:43:59] Vatruvius Best case scenario.

[20:51:48] Bgrmystr2 hmmm? I would consider that a problem if it passed QA

[20:51:58] Bgrmystr2 Though I don't know if they /have/ QA

[20:52:05] Bgrmystr2 ..which is a problem in and of itself xD

[20:53:40] Bgrmystr2 but yeah if all they have are 16:10 resolutions, they could possibly not have any issue, but they can't be that bad off to not realize how the site would react to different resolutions..

[20:53:53] Bgrmystr2 :thinking:

[20:56:35] Vatruvius I am sure they are working to resolve any issues with the new UI.

[20:56:43] Vatruvius I bet their email is flooded right now.

[21:41:48] NightMeaty22 Hello

[21:43:40] Vatruvius Hey.