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◄ Chat Log 10.03.2026 ►

[03:49:15] AbstractIndigo Neat, now I'm picturing a 3D animated adaption of the comic.
[04:16:37] AbstractIndigo Also: UV unwrapping. Gives me nightmares. One reason why I still haven't picked my stuff up in a year because that was driving me insane.
[04:17:15] AbstractIndigo Even if Blender's tools can do a lot of the work
[14:06:10] jnsquire Why not painting directly the texture on the 3D object then? Less counter-intuitive than UV unwrapping
[14:07:23] AbstractIndigo In my case it's a video game map using predefined textures, not custom painted new ones. So UV unwrap madness it is!
[15:06:34] jnsquire Oof
[15:28:17] ZapiliDver :czapilidver-katsmug: *[New Patreon Post: Gamer Girl Mike vs Streamer Clovis - https://www.patreon.com/posts/gamer-girl-mike-152722838]
[15:33:14] Lorikazz fire
[15:50:40] AbstractIndigo Definitely a fighting game. And Clovis will complain about Mike using an overpowered character.
[15:55:32] jnsquire Clovis seems moments away from showing boobage and a Stream Ban
[16:40:56] ThingsAreMoving :ctwokinds-evals_hearteyes: still grinning like an idiot when looking at the last page. Do you have a higher res crop of that last panel available, Tom? It looks so good.
[16:48:26] AbstractIndigo When you making a new emote of that Things!
[16:48:37] AbstractIndigo I know you will, don't lie
[16:56:14] ThingsAreMoving I don't see any emote potential in the kiss sequence, tbh. The most emote-able one is Sythe's face when he's told to sit.
[16:56:59] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-Nora_Wat: but it's a 'wut' category which Nora occupies at this time already
[16:58:30] AbstractIndigo Yeah. Who would have duplicates. No one would do that, right? :cabstractindigo-vanity-nervous2_crop:
[16:59:58] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-Dance.Reni::cthingsaremoving-Dance.Maren::cthingsaremoving-Dance.Adira: Yeah, exactly!
[17:10:21] AbstractIndigo :cabstractindigo-van-backs-cut-1::cabstractindigo-van-backs-cut-2::cabstractindigo-van_backs-cut-3:
[17:35:11] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-VanityKek:
[17:45:51] AbstractIndigo I'VE BEEN UPSTAGED
[17:48:32] ThingsAreMoving You can yoink it, emotes are meant to be shared
[17:48:53] ThingsAreMoving Will save you two emote slotes
[17:49:00] ThingsAreMoving slots*
[17:49:00] Twokinds Hi res crop? I could
[17:50:02] ThingsAreMoving :pray: I'm like that 'please Sir can I have some more' meme kid
[17:51:52] AbstractIndigo Well I feel slightly less guilty for asking for art now. Though I still need to find better images for the TV Tropes character pages for a load of them.
[17:52:36] Twokinds Here's a hi-res of the whole page: http://twokindscomic.com/images/20260309nt_hires.png
[17:52:41] AbstractIndigo And cheers Things, might swipe it then! I'll get rid of the duplicates when I run out of slots.
[17:53:08] AbstractIndigo Twokinds Ultra HD Edition
[17:53:34] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-MaryPeekHypno_x: It's... glorious. Thank you kindly!
[17:55:09] AbstractIndigo 9x more pixels!
[17:57:25] AbstractIndigo Do you do all the pages to that same resolution Tom? Really shows off certain details e.g. Maren's blush that are way harder to see on the main version
[18:03:47] AbstractIndigo Just realised that made it sound like the blush doesn't come across. Specifically it's quite subtle in panels like #8 but the extra pixels really show off the tiny details.
[18:04:05] Twokinds Yeah, actually I work at twice this hi-res resolution.
[18:04:10] Twokinds 600dpi
[18:04:33] AbstractIndigo Not even joking, I would pay for a HD digital version of pages.
[18:04:37] Twokinds I wish I could have the website comic's be larger, but reconverting 1300 pages would take a looong time.
[18:05:22] AbstractIndigo Oh I always assumed it was for some bandwidth limit or whatever. If those still exist in current year
[18:05:39] AbstractIndigo Or to maintain continuity with the first pages or something
[18:05:57] Twokinds Believe it or not, originally Twokinds comics were actually 600x800 pixels when it started, because screens were a lot smaller back then and a lot of people were still on dial-up.
[18:06:15] Twokinds Downloading a 1MB file would take a long time.
[18:06:33] Twokinds So, I've already increased all the pages in size once before, to their current size.
[18:06:34] AbstractIndigo I remember spending an hour downloading a 10MB video file!
[18:07:24] AbstractIndigo It's a real shame that the extra details are sitting there mostly never to be seen (maybe physical prints using HD assets?)
[18:07:34] Twokinds In the future, my plans are to update the website to support larger pages, translations, and perhaps multiple pages at once, so it feels a bit more modern.
[18:08:31] AbstractIndigo Well, if you ever think about ultra mega deluxe HD version, I would literally pay for that. Serious.
[18:08:49] Twokinds I'm working on it!
[18:09:11] Twokinds Trouble is, other than Turaiel, my web guy, Twokinds is just a one-man band, so things take a while.
[18:09:20] AbstractIndigo :ctwokinds-adiracoin:
[18:09:59] AbstractIndigo You remember I said yesterday not to burn yourself out? I'm revoking it. NO SLEEP ONLY PIXELS
[18:11:16] AbstractIndigo I jest. Will be nice when it happens! Take your time.
[18:18:29] ThingsAreMoving Solid plans and direction :eyes: The character page overhaul, bookmarks and archive search were all great improvements to the page
[18:20:05] Twokinds I still haven't finished the new character portraits lol
[18:20:11] AbstractIndigo Probably needs a few more characters on the character page now I guess
[18:20:54] Twokinds I asked Turaiel for the bookmarking, but he did all the work, and implemented archive search on his own, which I appreciate greatly.
[18:21:28] AbstractIndigo You already basically created one for Keiren a few months ago (thanks again)!
[18:22:38] AbstractIndigo It actually annoys me on the TVT page because it doesn't do the characters justice
[18:25:58] AbstractIndigo Just noticed, it didn't take long for someone to update Maren/Sythe. Haha.
[18:26:22] ThingsAreMoving The fandom is pretty active
[18:26:24] ThingsAreMoving And big
[18:27:40] Slipperboi Tom, what do you think when you see ppl voice act the comic?
[18:27:49] ThingsAreMoving Like, if you'd try to gauge it's size with the amount of people watching the streams, your numbers would be off by at least two orders of magnitude
[18:28:50] Lukas64 How do you plan it with the translations do you ask the fan translators to use the translations they made or is it planned to get new translations for the pages (the german fan translation got already to page 1277)
[18:29:25] Twokinds I don't mind if people voice act the comic!
[18:29:47] Twokinds And as for translation, I'm not sure. I'd love to have some way to official host translations, so the website could seamlessly swap between languages.
[18:30:14] Twokinds But to do so, I'd need some way to keep the translations going, ensure quality, and compensate those doing it if it's going to be official.
[18:31:35] Twokinds Or find some way to easily crowdsource it so those who want can contribute. I'm not sure how to do that.
[18:31:36] ThingsAreMoving Yeah, fan translations tend to lack quality sometimes. Maybe a wiki style of community moderation
[18:32:17] ThingsAreMoving Funnily, my very first post on the TK forums was correcting another fan's translation, lol
[18:34:28] AbstractIndigo Don't think that's an easy problem to solve. Unless as you say literally compensating people for the work. Particularly ensuring quality if it's going to be hosted officially.
[18:35:15] Slipperboi reading TK for the first time was so captivating, I still remember when Alaric fell off the bridge and how i was so mad
[18:36:31] AbstractIndigo Part of me likes to imagine some alternate universe where the entire comic has the same level of art and development as it does now. It's come so, so far.
[18:37:54] ThingsAreMoving Witnessing the style changes is a part of the webcomic experience, imho.
[18:38:33] Slipperboi agreed, it's like watching a kid grow up. But I guess, depending on when you started reading, you technically did
[18:40:54] AbstractIndigo If I say I took a break from reading for years will I get banned?
[18:41:30] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-flosquint:
[18:41:35] ThingsAreMoving Yes
[18:41:36] Slipperboi yes
[18:41:38] ThingsAreMoving Straight to jail
[18:41:47] AbstractIndigo Oh, well it's a good thing that NEVER HAPPENED THEN
[18:41:48] Slipperboi death row with you
[18:41:57] Slipperboi oh, ok nvm
[18:41:59] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-VanityKek:
[18:42:10] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-bootyflo: Booty jail
[18:42:46] Lukas64 i was at the website of the german fan translation and that site feels somehow more developed than the official site maybe you can hire that dude to help with the features you planned tom (link to the translation https://twokinds.4lima.de/comic/ )
[18:42:51] Slipperboi where are the emojis
[18:42:59] AbstractIndigo I feel like I'm being defeated by my own secret weapon Things
[18:43:22] Lukas64 you need to be a sub to have them
[18:43:29] Slipperboi ah
[18:43:37] AbstractIndigo If you subscribe to Tom
[18:43:49] Slipperboi unfortunate
[18:43:50] ThingsAreMoving Ye, sub to Tom for his emotes or pay Picarto for your own slots
[18:44:03] ThingsAreMoving 25 on gallery level, 100 on premium
[18:44:07] AbstractIndigo And I suppose TECHNICALLY if someone subscribed to me and Things?
[18:44:34] Slipperboi i has no moneh
[18:44:44] ThingsAreMoving I discourage people from subbing. Just copy them if you like 'em
[18:44:58] AbstractIndigo Oh I'd never suggest that, that would be insane.
[18:45:02] ThingsAreMoving Subbing to me that is. Tom should get all the subs
[18:45:07] AbstractIndigo 100%
[18:45:11] ThingsAreMoving Or as many as his diet allows :ctwokinds-windsmug:
[18:46:26] Twokinds I feel like if the first pages had the same art as the current pages, the writing would stand out the most. But I'm not sure.
[18:47:27] ThingsAreMoving I feel like if you really wanted to do art update, you could redo the most iconic ones and upload them under the old ones, maybe
[18:47:39] AbstractIndigo I think your writing has matured quite a lot, and you'd probably do several things differently. So in that sense, yes I'd agree. It's not just the art.
[18:47:49] Slipperboi really?? i think the art style has changed dramatically (for the better)
[18:48:27] Lukas64 And Chapter 3 would be completely different today
[18:48:38] Slipperboi 100%
[18:49:45] Ordithus Experience at writing and art has gained you much in both
[18:49:53] Ordithus :ctwokinds-rainehappy:
[18:49:55] InTheLionsDen Raine would be the lead character right from the start.
[18:50:04] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-NatLik_Maren_x: Ord
[18:50:32] Ordithus :ctwokinds-reniderp::ctwokinds-adiralicky: Things
[18:50:50] AbstractIndigo Realistically I think the approach now is the best, doing some redraws as and when.
[18:50:58] ThingsAreMoving Onekinds: Oops, all dragons :cthingsaremoving-Nora_Wat:
[18:51:17] Ordithus Oops all Vanity seems more real now
[18:51:35] Lukas64 an animated twokinds series in Anime style is still a far far thing for us but it would be cool
[18:51:37] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-merctriosera: Dragonkinds
[18:51:51] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-VanityKek: If you don't yoink it, Abstract I will keep using it in your stead
[18:52:03] Lorikazz ok so, i saw slipperboi's question and toms response to the translations, now im here
[18:52:40] Slipperboi Goodnight All! It's 7, and I have things to do before bed
[18:52:44] AbstractIndigo I actually thought about a Twokinds Anime/Cartoon the other week. Then I was sad because I remembered it didn't exist
[18:52:45] Slipperboi hey Lori
[18:52:53] AbstractIndigo Night!
[18:52:56] ThingsAreMoving Night Slipper
[18:53:07] Slipperboi night
[18:53:09] Lorikazz i used to translate this comic, i was on the page 500 ish (im turkish btw) so its great that i can continue the translation without any issue
[18:53:19] Lorikazz night jinx.
[18:53:28] Slipperboi night lori
[18:54:36] Lorikazz sadly no sleeping for me today..
[18:54:45] AbstractIndigo :cabstractindigo-VanityKek: WHO'S LAUGHING NOW THINGS
[18:55:19] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-x_WindySmile: Well done, I deleted mine
[18:55:20] AbstractIndigo (Also can I steal that spinning Kat plush one please?)
[18:55:53] ThingsAreMoving All of them are for grabs, it's Tom's art
[18:56:16] AbstractIndigo Yeah but I need you to post it to steal it unless you have it up on your channel in a message or something!
[18:57:29] ThingsAreMoving Right, let me instruct you.
[18:58:22] ThingsAreMoving Open my channel, click subscribe, once all the emotes load up, press f12 and use the inspection tool to get the link to whichever emote you want. Open it in new tab and save.
[18:58:55] AbstractIndigo Wait that works?
[18:59:34] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-NatLoading_x:
[18:59:57] AbstractIndigo I just stole it from the web source when it got posted in here
[19:02:33] AbstractIndigo Thanks Things :cabstractindigo-KatPlushSpin:
[19:02:53] AbstractIndigo "CHANNEL OWNERS HATE THIS FREE TRICK. CLICK TO FIND OUT MORE"
[19:03:15] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-LemmeTellYa: well done, five points to Slytherin
[19:03:22] AbstractIndigo :cabstractindigo-nat_braid:
[19:04:12] Ordithus :ctwokinds-katspinnn:
[19:04:19] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-KatSpinSlow_x:
[19:07:51] Twokinds :ctwokinds-katswoon:
[19:10:23] AbstractIndigo I just realised that for some reason Picarto charged me double subscription this month. I thought I did it as a one off because the sub dropped off for some reason. Weird.
[19:10:39] Lukas64 :Happy_Kat:
[19:10:53] Ordithus I've been suspecting they've been double charging... and I'm not sure how to cancel a sub on the site
[19:11:06] ThingsAreMoving You do it on PayPal
[19:11:14] ThingsAreMoving cancel the payment there
[19:11:25] AbstractIndigo Yeah you have to cancel recurring payments on Paypal or something.
[19:11:58] Ordithus That is f'd
[19:12:11] ThingsAreMoving I've been charged for like a year of basic level back when it was a thing because I assumed it would automatically cancel once I went on gallery lvl
[19:12:12] AbstractIndigo I'm not fussed about Tom getting a double sub for a month, it was weird though.
[19:12:41] AbstractIndigo I think there's actually no way to go from gallery -> premium either without cancelling and waiting for it to lapse
[19:13:50] Ordithus Hmm well I look at Paypal in Feb and I see the 4 subs I have and no more... and teddy's premium
[19:14:33] Twokinds Double charging? That's concerning
[19:16:15] ThingsAreMoving Picarto has a lot of issues, especially with it's payment systems. Third year in a row the sub gifting was completely different again
[19:16:15] Twokinds I received a pretty typical amount from Patreon this month, so it didn't affect me on my end. Hope Patreon gets any double charging sorted.
[19:16:29] Twokinds Oh wait, Picarto?
[19:16:31] AbstractIndigo I suppose it didn't strictly double charge, it was an ongoing monthly that they took moneh for but it still lapsed on Sunday despite paying for it.
[19:16:33] AbstractIndigo Picarto!
[19:17:30] AbstractIndigo Doesn't personally bother me (enjoy an extra coffee or whatever!) but defo weird.
[19:17:48] Twokinds I haven't been double-charged for the membership I pay through Picarto.
[19:18:20] AbstractIndigo I kinda get the impression their payment stuff isn't the most robust in the world
[19:18:43] Twokinds I pay 15 per month so you guys don't get ads during the stream ^^
[19:18:53] Twokinds Yeah, they're not a big company.
[19:19:02] Ordithus I've never seen a single ad on this site!
[19:19:04] ThingsAreMoving :pray: No furry themed ads, thank you Tom
[19:19:18] InTheLionsDen Thank you, Tom
[19:19:43] AbstractIndigo Thanks for saving my data from megacorps Tom!
[19:20:34] InTheLionsDen I haven't seen ads on other streams so my adbocker might be taking care of that too.
[19:20:42] InTheLionsDen Or they did the same thing
[19:25:10] Ordithus I think they don't actually have any ads :ctwokinds-nathaha:
[19:25:38] ThingsAreMoving Failry sure they don't. Tom, you can cancel your premium :ctwokinds-natsmug:
[19:25:58] ThingsAreMoving Fairly even
[19:26:43] AbstractIndigo :ctwokinds-flosquint:
[19:29:36] Twokinds lol really? Haha, well, I still want to support them a little. I can't imagine it's cheap to run a streaming service.
[19:29:55] Twokinds 15 a month isn't much of an ask.
[19:30:06] Twokinds And it allows the emotes of course
[19:30:07] ThingsAreMoving And you get 100 emote slots that we can use \o/
[19:30:14] Twokinds ya!
[19:30:33] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-katswoon:
[19:30:37] AbstractIndigo I'm pretty sure there was something in there about a percentage of sub fees being increased for premium. When I was reading about all the stuff that doesn't apply to me
[19:30:40] ThingsAreMoving Which if you're subbed to someone and their premium runs out, you lose access to them as well
[19:30:44] Ordithus And lets you host multis
[19:30:48] AbstractIndigo So it would probably literally cost money to cancel
[19:31:12] Ordithus Bummer that giving someone premium doesn't also give you their emotes :ctwokinds-kattired:
[19:32:27] ThingsAreMoving I wish they kept charging in dollars rather than in local currency. It's a bit too much for me to gift subs to my own channel like this
[19:34:56] Twokinds Oh? Dang
[19:36:21] ThingsAreMoving Same thing with gifting subs, first year it completely avoided people in multi while distributing randomly amongst the users
[19:36:48] ThingsAreMoving Second year it gave everyone exactly one sub for a month and didn't charge me extra if there were more subs than people
[19:37:24] ThingsAreMoving This time it gave one sub, but the excess was used to 'gift' myself 12 months of sub to you, lol
[19:37:52] ThingsAreMoving Consistent it ain't
[19:38:45] Twokinds maaan
[19:40:19] AbstractIndigo Next year it gives you -255 months and server implodes?
[19:41:59] ThingsAreMoving This year I'll play it safe and try to gift like 3-5 more than the amount of users in chat. Hard to gauge and time it so that everyone gets it 'cause people are entering and leaving all the time
[19:44:32] Ordithus :ctwokinds-floraquestion: pretty sure I got one of those, which means... infinite nibbly's or something idk
[19:44:39] Ordithus :ctwokinds-nibblyounce:
[19:44:56] ThingsAreMoving :ctwokinds-nibblyounce:
[19:45:19] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-nibblyounce:
[19:46:33] AbstractIndigo Night folks. Thanks Things :cabstractindigo-KatPlushSpin:
[19:46:46] InTheLionsDen Goodnight, Abstract
[19:46:47] ThingsAreMoving Night, Abstract o/
[19:48:51] Twokinds I wish Picarto let me buy subs for people.
[19:49:17] Twokinds It's weird that's not an option. Like, just let me spend whatever Picarto's cut is to give subs for other people.
[19:51:22] ThingsAreMoving Feels like Picarto is a passion project for the creator to stream... niche stuff and the whole financial framework around it rudimentary and works just well enough to sustain the site.
[19:52:39] ThingsAreMoving For now you could make a separate account, login in incognito and use that for gifting. Bit convoluted, but no other way to do it as far as I'm aware.
[19:53:08] ThingsAreMoving At least Picarto allows two accounts per IP
[20:46:16] ThingsAreMoving Just noticed the tip of Sythe's tail is doing the tiniest little wag and it's so dang adorable! :cw0lfmare-vivianexcite:
[20:53:29] InTheLionsDen :cw0lfmare-embertailwag:
[20:57:25] Ordithus :cw0lfmare-embertailwag:
[21:04:06] Ordithus First big smoochies https://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/112/ https://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/809/ https://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1293/
[21:04:13] Ordithus :ctwokinds-katswoon:
[21:11:26] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-rainehappy: - Reading "Since the invention of the kiss, there have been five kisses that have been rated the most passionate, the most pure - this one left them all behind."
[21:12:37] ThingsAreMoving 697 pages between the first and the second. 484 between the second and the third. So the next one will happen around page 1564
[21:12:45] ThingsAreMoving :cthingsaremoving-100pxReni_Derp:
[21:13:25] Ordithus Who will it beeeeee?
[21:16:22] ThingsAreMoving Might be Raine tbh
[21:16:48] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-raineshocked:
[21:18:22] Ordithus Raine... and Reni?!
[21:18:37] Ordithus :ctwokinds-reniderp::ctwokinds-raineshocked:
[21:19:24] ThingsAreMoving :ctwokinds-reniembarrassed:
[21:19:46] Ordithus :ctwokinds-keifacepalm:
[21:19:49] ThingsAreMoving Nah, Raine and Red, more likely imho
[21:20:05] ThingsAreMoving Kei and Reni would also be welcome, unlikely as it is for now
[21:22:50] Ordithus Yeah I don't know if Reni is into sneps
[21:23:08] Ordithus :ctwokinds-floraquestion: though isn't everyone?
[21:27:29] ThingsAreMoving Could go kinda like this: :ctwokinds-reniderp: alakazom, alakazam, your face and body is no hooman! :ctwokinds-keifacepalm: Free of this fake feline form! Let us celebrate by making out! :ctwokinds-reniembarrassed:
[21:27:51] ThingsAreMoving :ctwokinds-reniderp: curse your hatred for double :: Picartoooooo
[21:28:14] ThingsAreMoving You get the idea
[21:28:55] Ordithus :ctwokinds-renihuman: *[Oh my]
[21:29:27] Ordithus Also Reni is voiced by George Takei
[21:49:58] Twokinds lol that's funny, I was just drawing something related to the idea of Reni having a deep voice.
[21:51:06] Ordithus :ctwokinds-renirawr:
[21:53:01] unsteddyphoenix :eyes: ?
[21:53:12] Ranbowshep I do wonder how some of these characters sound when they talk
[21:56:31] Twokinds I'm not even sure how Reni sounds, since it's all mental projections.
[21:56:50] Twokinds Probably a normal human woman.
[21:57:48] unsteddyphoenix Average human female
[21:57:59] ThingsAreMoving With a tiny bit of reverb due to telepathy
[21:58:03] Twokinds If it were animation, I'd probably give it a very slight echo-y effect.
[21:58:09] ThingsAreMoving Aha
[22:18:09] InTheLionsDen Since it is a mental projection it might appear to whoever it is directed at that it is in their most natural language.
[22:23:08] ThingsAreMoving I like to think it's idea based, not word based. Like, in order to communicate we need to form an idea in our mind, code it onto words, relay those words to other person and count on them decoding the words in a way which will convey the idea
[22:23:13] Alexclone01 Im partial to the idea of clovis being voiced by Gianni Matragrano lol
[22:23:40] ThingsAreMoving With telepathy, direct communication with uncoded ideas could be a thing
[22:24:36] Ordithus Beam the cute straight into my brain
[22:24:50] ThingsAreMoving Ord gets it
[22:25:00] Ordithus :cw0lfmare-viviandokidoki:
[22:25:01] InTheLionsDen :ctwokinds-renirawr:
[23:50:23] Lorikazz ive been using my headset mic for like 5 years and i think i gotta get a new one, like a xlr mic