
◄ Chat Log 16.06.2018 ►
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Bgrmystr2
lolo tom
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Vatruvius
hahahaha
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Bgrmystr2
I wonder why..
[00:00:06]
Justanotheruser7118
XD
[00:00:08]
unsteddyphoenix
really? Damn
[00:00:24]
unsteddyphoenix
That only happens for me if im running on wifi
[00:00:25]
Vatruvius
Wow, why can Mark possibly being doing!
[00:00:33]
Vatruvius
what*
[00:01:22]
SpotTheLeopard
As much as I want to stay, I need to go get some sleep. Have a good night, everyone!
[00:01:22]
w0lfmare
Mark eats sleeps and bathes in internet
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w0lfmare
It takes it's toll
[00:01:35]
Ordithus
Night spot
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Vatruvius
Goodnight Spot!
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unsteddyphoenix
Big same
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Vatruvius
Makes sense.
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w0lfmare
Night Spot
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CrRAR
lol, Trace's head is within *criiiishing* range of the window. <.<
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zanAspera
Happy dreajs so spotty kittah
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CrRAR
Now where's Flora with the awkward questions!?
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Ordithus
Does he still have a setup there?
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CrRAR
:ctwokinds-floraquestion:
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Twokinds
yeah sorta
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Ordithus
Remote office
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Vatruvius
I would too if I had access to fiber internet but I only got DSL so...I am eating, sleeping, and bathing in my hate for my ISP.
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JamesBSquirrel3
Hang in there Tom, almost made it
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Vatruvius
?
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Justanotheruser7118
...?
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Vatruvius
What is Tom hanging in for?
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Ordithus
I suppose it would be handy for him, he lives and breathes his job. He can work while on vacation
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Bgrmystr2
to finish his comic Vat
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Bgrmystr2
fairly common phrase, surprising it came from him
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Vatruvius
Well yeah but has Tom said he is getting tired?
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Bgrmystr2
no, but yknow
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JamesBSquirrel3
(It means nearly done)
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Dadrobit
Howdy y'all!
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Vatruvius
I knew what James was saying but it just felt like it came from nowhere since Tom has not said anything about fatigue or whatever.
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Combak
Hi Robit!
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Twokinds
:ctwokinds-RainezZz:
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Vatruvius
Ugh...nearly done?
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unsteddyphoenix
yo daddy
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CrRAR
evenin robit
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Sammit
Hi Robit
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Vatruvius
There it is...
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Vatruvius
Hey Dadro!
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Ordithus
Hi robit
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Ordithus
https://twokinds.deviantart.com/art/Hang-in-there-Flora-1-150347798
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Dadrobit
Just got back from a party at grandma's. Was a good time. Got to meet some super distant relatives from Hawaii.
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Bgrmystr2
just cuz tom doesn't say it doesn't mean it's an empty gesture, though vat
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Vatruvius
If you could draw Twokinds in your sleep, how much would you sleep Tom?
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Dadrobit
Lots of "Brudda!" and "Cuz" thrown around.
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Vatruvius
I am not saying it is empty, it just felt like it came for left field to me is all. Anyway...
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Bgrmystr2
well, it is james. xD
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Vatruvius
XD
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Nekonny
I think I'm about done, falling asleep here ^^
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CrRAR
:ctwokinds-nibsdance:
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swack24
k
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swack24
Night Konny
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Nekonny
sorry I was afk, I was in a call
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Ordithus
Night Ron!
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Vatruvius
No problem Neko, goodnight!
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Ordithus
Nyna looks sleepy too
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CrRAR
gotta do what ya gotta do
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Nekonny
thanks for the stream guys
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unsteddyphoenix
gnight Ron~
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Nekonny
sorry I wasnt too talkative tonight
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Ron, thanks for the stram
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Bgrmystr2
gnight Ron
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w0lfmare
Night Ron
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Nekonny
and thanks for watching!
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Nekonny
you all have a good night!
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Ordithus
I look forward to more paprika <3
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Nekonny
:3
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Combak
Night Ron!
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Combak
Thanks for streaming!
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Dadrobit
Night, Ron
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CrimsonHelsing
@Twokinds wait a minute, I thought it was snowing earlier in the chapter ',:/
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Vatruvius
Hmm...
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Combak
... No?
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Vatruvius
You would be right.
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w0lfmare
Wasn't that on a cover or something?
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Combak
Wait, it was snowing!?
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CrRAR
no the tree was dropping leaves
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Ordithus
Chapter cover, yeah
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Ordithus
Could be later, could just be winter in the midwest
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CrRAR
chapter cover yes, but that isn't now
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CrRAR
yeah ord
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w0lfmare
So that just means snow sometime in the chapter I guess
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Ordithus
August? Snow, why not!
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CrimsonHelsing
Just lightly I guess? And yes, the first few pages where Kat was talking with Zen
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Combak
... So it was. XD
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
ree
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CrimsonHelsing
Outside the window, there was snow
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Vatruvius
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1025/
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CrRAR
*Courage the Cowardly Dog announcer guy* Wacky stuff happens at Trace's castle~
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Vatruvius
See, snow.
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Dadrobit
Jesus, I can hear the voice still to this day...
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Return the slab
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unsteddyphoenix
lol same
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CrRAR
xD
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unsteddyphoenix
iconic
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CrRAR
could be late fall
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Vatruvius
Trace's estate is high in elevation so there could be snow depending on the climate where he lives.
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w0lfmare
It's just, um, an early morning frost
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Dadrobit
Freaky Fred, man. That one was... Freaky....
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w0lfmare
Very shiny dust
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Twokinds
They're all the way on the other side of the house.
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CrRAR
hahaha
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unsteddyphoenix
lol
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w0lfmare
0_o
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Vatruvius
Big house = different climates
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unsteddyphoenix
It's a whole other season over there
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Ordithus
This wing is in the tropics
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Twokinds
XD
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Bgrmystr2
dear god :ptv-confused:
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CrRAR
tooootallly different climate
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unsteddyphoenix
Theyve actually been travelling for days
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Vatruvius
Trace: "Can you take me to Flora?"
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CrRAR
Rose: "That'll be a 3 week journey"
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Vatruvius
Rose: "Sure, she is in the tropics wing, will be a 5 days walk..."
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CrRAR
xD
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w0lfmare
She's in the garden. And no that's not some kind of joke
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CrRAR
...is it... a SEECRET garder?
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CrRAR
*n
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Twokinds
This set is actually in a different location. Zen and Kat are in the studio.
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CrRAR
ah
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Dadrobit
There's a reason Reni is kept around. She's the fast travel system.
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
to ree or not to ree :thinking:
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CrRAR
Who's in charge of shaking the snow dispensers?
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Ordithus
Maeve, of course
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Ordithus
Child labor is super cheap
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CrRAR
:ctwokinds-evalswink_sparkl:
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Vatruvius
Trace: "Rose, Flora said she would be in the garden. Could you show me where that is?" Rose: "Which garden sir, we 172 gardens on this side of the estate."
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
thats child labor
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
aren't there laws about that?
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CrRAR
*sad panda*
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TheBeckoner
only if you get caught
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JamesBSquirrel3
Oh! I see, that Ron as Nekonny finish the ink draw comic page done and his end stream first. Maybe I should congratulated him really well.:ptv-hearts:
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CrRAR
hi Beck
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TheBeckoner
Hi Cr
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Vatruvius
:ptv-wondering:
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TheBeckoner
I think they may be using a translator lol
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Vatruvius
Perhaps. I found out when I took German not to use Google translate...ever!
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Vatruvius
It is that bad.
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Vatruvius
It is getting late. Goodnight everyone!:ptv-greetings:
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Combak
Well, chat's died down.
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Combak
Night Vat!
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Ordithus
:ctwokinds-RainezZz:
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Vatruvius
Goodnight Tom! Goodnight Sage!
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CrRAR
night vat
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Vatruvius
Thanks for the streams!
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Sammit
Bye Vat
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Ordithus
Good night Vatru
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TheBeckoner
Night Vat
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Dadrobit
I think in the case of labor laws there, mostly it just boils down to having them properly collared.
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Dadrobit
Night Vat
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Vat
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Ordithus
:ctwokinds-keithdotdotdot:
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unsteddyphoenix
I mena, not incorrect
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Ordithus
Rose is so cute in that panel
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Twokinds
:ctwokinds-rose: I still got it
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Ordithus
<3
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Dadrobit
D'awwww
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Adorabs
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w0lfmare
She's aged really well, gotta say
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unsteddyphoenix
keidran privilege
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
fur hides wrinkles
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BluePhantom90
do wish Tom you would go back to 2 a week. its a pain waiting. But we all understand its because of details
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Dadrobit
It probably also helps that she doesn't live like a barbarian like the rest of her kin.
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w0lfmare
No wrinkles or goopy eye
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HeresyArtStream
:cheresyartstream-SOBHeresy:
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Hi Heresy
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Dadrobit
o/ Heresy
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w0lfmare
ello heresy
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unsteddyphoenix
yo
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Ordithus
Hi Heresy
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CWSquared
Hi
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Combak
Hi Heresy
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unsteddyphoenix
I wonder how many keidran start losing eyesight
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unsteddyphoenix
Doubt many of them would wear glasses
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JamesBSquirrel3
Heresy! Hello!
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
There eyes fall out at age 34
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Zakuru
im heading to bed now
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Zakuru
good night friends
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Zaky
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TheBeckoner
Dont most die before then Marv?
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Dadrobit
o/ Zak
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Ordithus
good night zak
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TheBeckoner
Night Zak
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unsteddyphoenix
gnight
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JamesBSquirrel3
Goodnight Zakuru
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Dadrobit
Most die around 20, Lucky ones live up to 30
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TheBeckoner
I suppose when you die at some point your eyeballs could fall out
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unsteddyphoenix
I think most would live til like, mid 20s?
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Dadrobit
But 30 is around the equivalent of 100+ for a human, so very very rare.
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unsteddyphoenix
Not accounting for lifestyle
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unsteddyphoenix
Since they roll around in GERMS all day
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TheBeckoner
If youre a human smoking and drinking hard will get you to atleast 120
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Dadrobit
I think that at a rough 3:1 ratio, 20 would put them at 60 to humans, so that's when age really becomes a hard factor.
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JamesBSquirrel3
To think how keidrans can ongoing age around 30, if possible?
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unsteddyphoenix
We know they show some physical signs of aging like eye-problems and faded fur and stuff.
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unsteddyphoenix
But not actually sure how much it affects their like, overall fitness?
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TheBeckoner
Irl dogs dont really slow down til the very end
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TheBeckoner
unlike humans
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unsteddyphoenix
yeah
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TheBeckoner
which lose considerable physicality at like 40 or so
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TheBeckoner
dang that was slow to type..
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TheBeckoner
I guess if youre life is short the best thing you can have is a long prime
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JamesBSquirrel3
Few more bottom right left
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Dadrobit
They're really just replicants.
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Dadrobit
Either that, or they've just got Anton's Key unlocked.
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TheBeckoner
yah lost me
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JamesBSquirrel3
We hope some survive Keidrans can hope them are
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Chippotatothefirst
Hey Tom... it’s that guy that broke his ankle, just letting you know that in the end you did help me out with my rubbing crutch problem. Natanis wraps worked splendidly, lol
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SageSaga
they are like anime women - they look 12 till they are 30, then they look like they are 30 till they are 60 - and then BAM! they become 3 feet tall and are 70% wrinkles
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TheBeckoner
lol that is how that is
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unsteddyphoenix
Isnt that just asians?
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Dadrobit
Replicants - Blade Runner reference. Anton's Key - Ender's Shadow reference.
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unsteddyphoenix
life influences art~
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SageSaga
that's racist Unsteddy
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SageSaga
im talking about cartoon characters
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unsteddyphoenix
I-is it?
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Combak
Cartoon Asian characters?
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Dadrobit
Anton's Key being a genetic enhancement that drastically increases intelligence, but also induces death at an early age due to nonstop growth.
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TheBeckoner
huh
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TheBeckoner
Id rather live long and die stupid
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unsteddyphoenix
Next die hard subtitle
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Dadrobit
Nice~
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unsteddyphoenix
Die hard: Live long, die stupid
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TheBeckoner
lol
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Ordithus
:ctwokinds-NataniHAHA:
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unsteddyphoenix
"A good day to live stupid"
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Chippotatothefirst
Oh and if you get them watch out for wedding dress tails on the floor in stores... I will be having them for the next year now
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JamesBSquirrel3
Well some by some can die
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Dadrobit
Anton's Key has actually been a real theory behind the keidran for a while now with keidran like Euchre demonstrating incredible skill and knowledge once he escaped the social confines of the Keidran and was set "free" by the Templar order allowing him to
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Dadrobit
explore knowlede.
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Dadrobit
knowledge.*
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Dadrobit
That was a terrible sentence, but you get the idea.
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TheBeckoner
yeah buts hes old
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TheBeckoner
shouldnt he have died?
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unsteddyphoenix
How does that explain every keidran that isnt euchre though
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Dadrobit
But he manage to achieve an extremely high position among the Templar at a very young age.
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Dadrobit
The other keidran are trapped by their culture.
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unsteddyphoenix
Thats racist
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Dadrobit
They live as brutes, barely above animals.
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Ordithus
Euchre was a daddy at like... 8 or 9 :ptv-confused:
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CrimsonHelsing
I'd say ten
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TheBeckoner
so like 24 or so? if human
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Ordithus
Mary, wtf
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BrunoYcaro
Bye people,gonna go slep
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Dadrobit
o/ Bruno
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Ordithus
Night Bruno
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Combak
Bye Bruno!
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TheBeckoner
have good slep
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BrunoYcaro
SLEP
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TheBeckoner
YES
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JamesBSquirrel3
Say do someone know about how old Euchre was?
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Dadrobit
Raine is 18, so Euchre is very late 20's.
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Combak
~25
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Dadrobit
(I think she's 18?)
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unsteddyphoenix
28 I believe
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Ordithus
Supposedly she is 18
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Dadrobit
Just checked, she is 18 confirmed.
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Twokinds
Doooone
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Combak
Oh, really?
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Dadrobit
Very nice, Tom.
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Ordithus
Cool
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Combak
Looks great Tom!
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unsteddyphoenix
Great work!
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Very well done Tom
[00:50:05]
w0lfmare
Lovely
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MrEase
very nice
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TheBeckoner
nice scenery and such.
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iliar
If I'm not mistaken Euchre around 30 years old
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Ordithus
Not bad, a side strip and a comic page in one night
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MrEase
2 pages less than 5 hours
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unsteddyphoenix
Im like 80% sure he's 28. Maybe 27
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JamesBSquirrel3
[GAPS]:ptv-excited:
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HeresyArtStream
OMG. Trace confirmed for Smash Ultimate
[00:51:26]
MrEase
wait was the nibbly thing a side comic or a page
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Bgrmystr2
:ptv-excited: page done already!
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w0lfmare
New incentive
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Ordithus
^
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Bgrmystr2
lookin nice tom
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HeresyArtStream
real nice!
[00:52:04]
Ordithus
<3 Maren
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Bgrmystr2
that maren face <3 :ptv-laugh:
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MarvTheHugPharaoh
Wait till neon makes it into a emote
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w0lfmare
Poor Maren XD
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TheBeckoner
Arf goes the squirrel
[00:52:41]
unsteddyphoenix
That face is just
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unsteddyphoenix
Too much lol
[00:52:43]
CrimsonHelsing
Very well done Tom! I enjoyed this stream quite well! x3
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w0lfmare
Enough to loose a stray hair
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CrimsonHelsing
And I can't wait to see this page posted to read!
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unsteddyphoenix
So shocked some of her hair fell down
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Dadrobit
I like to imagine that it's a super deep Great Dane "Arf"
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Twokinds
lol
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Bgrmystr2
I so want that face as a reaction img :u
[00:53:38]
Twokinds
Yeah
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Twokinds
Although I have trouble imagining that.
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Combak
Also, based on Picarto's timer, Tom's been live for 3 hours, 13 minutes.
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Twokinds
I always here a tiny dog arf
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Combak
Nice work!
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Ordithus
4:37 on my stream, Combak
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JamesBSquirrel3
You finish the sec!
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SpazztasticKiwi
Tiny arf? Like a chihuahua
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SpazztasticKiwi
?
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TheBeckoner
3hr 13 min for me
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Bgrmystr2
tom are you gonna post the incentive textless somewhere? :o
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Combak
Wierd...
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Justanotheruser7118
4hrs 37 mins for me
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Twokinds
Started around 9:20
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Twokinds
So like 4 1/2 hours
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Twokinds
Yeah I wasn't expecting these two pages to get done so fast.
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Combak
... So Picarto is just being derpy on my end. Odd.
[00:55:21]
Ordithus
You had them inked in a flash
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unsteddyphoenix
I blinked and then 4 hours later you had done them! :OO
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CrimsonHelsing
This is quite a good record!
[00:55:51]
Twokinds
That's a long blink!
[00:55:59]
Ordithus
So... more comic pages? :ptv-snicker:
[00:56:02]
SpazztasticKiwi
Sounds more like a nap
[00:56:02]
unsteddyphoenix
But also quick pages~
[00:56:05]
Twokinds
lol
[00:56:24]
Dadrobit
Makes sense that it got done. Aside from the valley scene, all of the backgrounds are kind of barren in detail.
[00:56:24]
Twokinds
I'm afraid I don't have anything else to work on at the moment, so I'm gunna have to leave Sage to his lonesome again...
[00:56:31]
Dadrobit
got done quick*
[00:56:38]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
poor sage
[00:56:47]
SpazztasticKiwi
How will he survive
[00:56:49]
unsteddyphoenix
Tragic
[00:56:52]
TheBeckoner
he die
[00:56:56]
unsteddyphoenix
Sage left alone with us again
[00:56:58]
Combak
Ooh, Tom's cat!
[00:56:58]
Dadrobit
cat
[00:56:58]
Ordithus
CAT
[00:57:00]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Cat?
[00:57:03]
TheBeckoner
c a t
[00:57:11]
unsteddyphoenix
:ctwokinds-flomad:C A T :ctwokinds-FloDance:
[00:57:12]
InTheLionsDen
not dog
[00:57:17]
Ordithus
Good thing there's a label
[00:57:18]
TheBeckoner
anti-dog
[00:57:24]
Combak
Well, it's late now. I'm heading to bed. Night all!
[00:57:30]
TheBeckoner
Night Combak
[00:57:34]
Ordithus
night combak
[00:57:40]
Twokinds
Gnight everyone!
[00:57:44]
unsteddyphoenix
What a cute~
[00:57:45]
w0lfmare
Night Tom!
[00:57:45]
TheBeckoner
Night TOm
[00:57:46]
Twokinds
I'm going to sleep too
[00:57:48]
Ordithus
Good night, Tom!
[00:57:49]
TheBeckoner
smol o
[00:57:50]
InTheLionsDen
Goodnight Tom
[00:57:51]
unsteddyphoenix
Goodnight, thanks for streamin
[00:57:51]
HeresyArtStream
'night Tom
[00:57:53]
SpazztasticKiwi
:ctwokinds-natanisleep:
[00:57:54]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Tom, thanks for the cat
[00:57:55]
Foenix
Goodnight
[00:57:57]
Justanotheruser7118
goodbye everyone, its been a good one.
[00:57:57]
Bgrmystr2
Well, thanks for streaming tom :D
[00:57:58]
Foenix
Thanks Tom : )
[00:58:07]
HeresyArtStream
:cheresyartstream-spinner::cheresyartstream-bendance::cheresyartstream-heresybar::cheresyartstream-nowthatswhatIcal::cheresyartstream-SOBHeresy::cheresyartstream-bendance::cheresyartstream-spinner:
[00:58:08]
Justanotheruser7118
ty for the stream
[00:58:31]
Dadrobit
Have a good one all y'all that are heading out.
[00:58:36]
JamesBSquirrel3
2 comic pages in the row!!! xd lol
[00:58:50]
CrimsonHelsing
Thanks again Tom! Sleep well, and as always, see you on Sunday!
[00:59:36]
JamesBSquirrel3
Damn again this stupid laptop slow again of interuted!:ptv-angry:
[01:00:15]
JamesBSquirrel3
At least Sage still going
[01:01:51]
unsteddyphoenix
Sage streams the longest because he loves us the most~ <3
[01:02:18]
JamesBSquirrel3
Goodnight Tom of TwoKinds! See you'll in Sunday!:ptv-hearts:
[01:02:23]
TheBeckoner
>doubt
[01:02:24]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
We are his loving disappointing children.
[01:02:31]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
See ya James
[01:02:43]
TheBeckoner
Night translate guy
[01:03:05]
JamesBSquirrel3
Did you guys said he (or Tom) has a Cat? What happen?
[01:03:42]
Combak
Thanks for the good night wishes guys!
[01:03:58]
Combak
Tom, Sage, thanks for streaming!
[01:04:01]
Combak
Night all!
[01:04:26]
Dadrobit
Hm, I know that the estimated age is around 28, but I can't find anything concrete in the comic other than the time that he lied about being 21.
[01:04:35]
Dadrobit
o/ Combak
[01:05:21]
unsteddyphoenix
Im fairly certan about that number but ive forgotten why
[01:05:36]
unsteddyphoenix
But I assume I had a good reason :upside_down:
[01:06:28]
TheBeckoner
well I mean
[01:06:33]
TheBeckoner
cant we ask Tom?
[01:07:18]
JamesBSquirrel3
I see Tom's Cat Die is he? Poor Kitty:ptv-sad:!
[01:07:20]
Dadrobit
Because any younger and it feels icky. Also I think there was maybe stuff in TDM that pointed to certain timelines/ages?
[01:07:36]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
poor kitty locked in the bathroom
[01:07:51]
TheBeckoner
Is translate guy right? did a cat die?
[01:07:59]
TheBeckoner
semi-lost here
[01:08:09]
TheBeckoner
unless he just mistranslated something
[01:08:27]
Ordithus
There was a cat on Tom's stream, probably his cat. I don't know what James is talking about?
[01:08:37]
TheBeckoner
Oh ok
[01:08:42]
Dadrobit
No, Holly is alive.
[01:08:43]
TheBeckoner
and me either
[01:08:57]
TheBeckoner
I figured but wasnt sure
[01:09:00]
Dadrobit
And she's killing Tom faster than she's dying probably.
[01:09:06]
Ordithus
Probably
[01:09:07]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
oof
[01:09:08]
TheBeckoner
huh
[01:09:24]
TheBeckoner
she want to die at the same time as him
[01:09:27]
TheBeckoner
wants*
[01:09:27]
Ordithus
But how old is Nyna?
[01:09:31]
JamesBSquirrel3
Tom say to us us early some of them know but we didn't know!
[01:09:48]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Still don't know
[01:10:15]
Twokinds
How long since the game's release
[01:10:17]
Twokinds
That old
[01:10:37]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
game?
[01:10:39]
Ordithus
That is actually a good question when we haven't seen the "outside" world in a loong time
[01:10:41]
unsteddyphoenix
thats...pretty old.
[01:10:43]
JamesBSquirrel3
hmmm
[01:11:27]
Serinji
What song is this?
[01:12:15]
SageSaga
Armed and Ready RWBY Vol 4 Sound track
[01:12:22]
Serinji
Thanks!
[01:14:32]
JamesBSquirrel3
brb I'll gonna get Breakfast needed, okay chao!
[01:14:52]
Dadrobit
Brb myself. Gonna go heat up the rest of my Filiberto's.
[01:15:17]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Berto?
[01:15:24]
zanAspera
Happy happy dreams. I schleep schleep
[01:16:20]
JamesBSquirrel3
Sage up to 5 hrs livestream mark!
[01:18:19]
ZRO4825
So...another Friday night then. :P
[01:24:44]
SageSaga
haha- ive got Nyna in every panel of this comic- success
[01:24:56]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
\[T]/
[01:24:59]
Ordithus
:ptv-hearts:
[01:25:36]
SageSaga
brb gotta set the oven to preheat for dinner
[01:26:09]
Ordithus
Alright. I'm going to bed, have a good night! :ctwokinds-natanisleep:
[01:26:20]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Ord
[01:26:50]
w0lfmare
Night Ord
[01:28:04]
TheBeckoner
nIGHT oRD
[01:28:08]
TheBeckoner
lol
[01:28:11]
TheBeckoner
Night Ord*
[01:29:37]
SageSaga
back
[01:29:44]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
wb
[01:29:55]
TheBeckoner
wub
[01:32:07]
Twokinds
wb
[01:32:12]
Twokinds
I'm headed to bed
[01:32:29]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
have good sleep Tom
[01:32:54]
iliar
Good night, Tom.
[01:33:07]
TheBeckoner
Slap whale Tom
[01:35:42]
SageSaga
Sleep well man
[01:35:54]
SageSaga
hopefully everyone will be up for DnD tomorrow
[01:36:09]
Bgrmystr2
Just beat Star Fox 2 in one go on the new SNES mini
[01:36:12]
Bgrmystr2
was kinda fun
[01:36:14]
Bgrmystr2
gnight tom
[01:37:01]
Bgrmystr2
even the normal game on the original snes was more difficult
[01:39:29]
unsteddyphoenix
gnight tomoops social life calls. byw bye thanks for stream~
[01:39:49]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
See ya Tebby
[01:40:09]
TheBeckoner
Night Unsteddy
[01:41:08]
Bgrmystr2
gnight phoenix
[01:44:41]
JamesBSquirrel3
Wow, I can see rough pencil sketch in pixels low demisions on screen, which he try to difficuit, but then ink draw can see beyond high demision stands. Hope always little helps(!)
[01:45:06]
TheBeckoner
w o t
[01:45:50]
JamesBSquirrel3
Comic sketch is done?
[01:46:35]
JamesBSquirrel3
Oh, too early to soon ...:ptv-confused:
[01:54:16]
LannAF
WOOPS
[01:54:54]
LannAF
Apologies for the intrusion
[01:56:12]
TheBeckoner
well it's getting late. Night y'all. Hope you all sleep well ^-^
[01:56:18]
LannAF
Goodnight Beckoner! Hi everyone
[01:56:19]
SageSaga
gnight Beck
[01:56:21]
LannAF
How's it going?
[01:58:57]
Bgrmystr2
gnight beck
[01:59:02]
Bgrmystr2
kinda late tho
[01:59:05]
Bgrmystr2
heya lann
[02:00:12]
SageSaga
brb
[02:01:09]
LannAF
heya Bfr :D
[02:01:12]
LannAF
bgr*
[02:04:35]
SageSaga
back
[02:06:40]
LannAF
wb!
[02:09:37]
LannAF
Sage!
[02:09:43]
LannAF
Are you ready for tomorrow?
[02:09:49]
DarthRexKing
I am going to bed. Night.
[02:10:31]
LannAF
Goodnight Darth
[02:12:05]
SageSaga
i hope so
[02:13:11]
LannAF
:D
[02:14:23]
SageSaga
you gonna wake up in time this time?
[02:14:57]
LannAF
yes
[02:14:59]
LannAF
...
[02:14:59]
LannAF
maybe
[02:15:02]
LannAF
when we doin it?
[02:15:27]
SageSaga
2pm edt
[02:16:52]
LannAF
so 11 my time
[02:16:57]
LannAF
I'll be asleep by 2 AM tonight then
[02:17:08]
LannAF
or sooner
[02:18:00]
SageSaga
so i gotta try and sleep by 6am
[02:18:32]
SageSaga
i have less than 3 hours
[02:21:25]
Bgrmystr2
go sage go :D
[02:23:08]
LannAF
haha
[02:27:26]
SageSaga
its hard drawing and crying at the same time
[02:31:09]
ZRO4825
???
[02:31:11]
Bgrmystr2
crying why? :thinking:
[02:31:23]
ZRO4825
Been cutting onions? o_O
[02:31:36]
JamesBSquirrel3
Why are you crying Sage, honestly?
[02:32:12]
SageSaga
got an anime playing on the TV - gets me choked up - so good- so sad :ptv-sad:
[02:32:54]
JamesBSquirrel3
I see.
[02:34:48]
ZRO4825
Some days, Sage, I'm not sure who's the bigger troll between you and Tom, lol
[02:35:12]
SageSaga
how is that trolling?
[02:35:31]
ZRO4825
Get us all worked up talking 'bout crying, and then it's just anime. :P
[02:36:13]
sunblaze
hi and good monring
[02:36:22]
ZRO4825
Heyya Sunblaze
[02:36:44]
SageSaga
hey Sunblaze
[02:37:14]
sunblaze
wow that was fast :D
[02:37:21]
sunblaze
and it looks wicked cool thanks
[02:37:22]
SageSaga
i wasnt sure what ya meant by a Dragon Slayer so i went with armor and a GunLance -
[02:37:34]
Bgrmystr2
what anime is it, sage?
[02:37:48]
SageSaga
just one that i wanted to watch since last week
[02:37:58]
SageSaga
Steins Gate :P
[02:38:07]
ZRO4825
lol
[02:38:13]
sunblaze
I left it open on purpose to see your idea behind it so worked very well!
[02:38:22]
SageSaga
thanks Sun ^^
[02:38:48]
SageSaga
Steins;Gate* is awesome btw and if anyone hasnt watched it- keep tissues nearby
[02:39:22]
sunblaze
I wanted to watch it for some time but so far nah I had other things to do
[02:40:18]
SageSaga
the new season is amazing but you must watch the first season ... first XD
[02:42:01]
SageSaga
and you can watch it on VRV! if you have access to VRV-
[02:42:44]
sunblaze
not in germany :D
[02:46:34]
sunblaze
next week I am on the road anyway so finally I have time to watch little witch academia. wanted that for like the last 6 month as well :P
[02:48:09]
SageSaga
wow
[02:49:49]
ZRO4825
Reminds me, I need to watch that new Academia show or whatever. Hero Academia? Supposed to be pretty good
[02:51:42]
SageSaga
Yes- My Hero Academia is very good
[02:51:59]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
I can't wait for the next episode
[02:52:30]
ZRO4825
My problem with catching up on anime is I have to stop playing games to watch...and then I get restless because I'm not playing a game. :joy:
[02:52:40]
sunblaze
^that is mine as well
[02:52:49]
MatyMaty
play games in one screen and anime in the other? :O
[02:52:50]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
My hero is super worth it
[02:53:01]
ZRO4825
Can't do that with subtitles, Maty, and hello! :P
[02:53:23]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
watch the dub, Its actually really good
[02:53:26]
sunblaze
2 screens welp with that as an advise play the common games you do not have to think about aanyway and watch on the other one stuff
[02:53:38]
ZRO4825
Well, I mean, I probably COULD do it, but I hate splitting my attention like that, lol
[02:54:47]
sunblaze
that is why I usally only watch action movies during gameplay. less story and stuff to things to thing about :D
[02:54:51]
JamesBSquirrel3
Wow! Wow! Wow! Coming up to 7 hour mark(!)
[02:54:58]
MatyMaty
o/
[02:55:00]
sunblaze
as long as big things explode and bullets fly
[02:55:09]
SageSaga
Maty! you are up late-
[02:55:21]
sunblaze
hi maty
[02:55:28]
MatyMaty
Sage!
[02:55:49]
MatyMaty
more like, I woke up and can't go back to sleep yet
[02:56:06]
ZRO4825
Doh :(
[02:56:50]
MatyMaty
yeah :(
[02:57:13]
SageSaga
well good to hear from ya
[02:57:28]
ZRO4825
Do what I do!...wait, no, don't do what I do, because that means, stay up and be irritated because insomnia. :joy:
[02:57:29]
MatyMaty
thaaaanks
[02:57:35]
MatyMaty
I got your messages XD
[02:57:36]
MatyMaty
like
[02:57:37]
MatyMaty
now
[02:57:47]
MatyMaty
I've been most away from the internet :c
[02:58:12]
SageSaga
I can never be away from the internet- it's part of me
[02:58:17]
MatyMaty
hahah
[02:58:27]
MatyMaty
well it wasn't like I chose to XD
[02:58:46]
MatyMaty
modem got fucked during a thunderstorm
[02:59:00]
Bgrmystr2
D:
[02:59:01]
MatyMaty
and the company just sent the replacement today
[02:59:04]
ZRO4825
won't lie, if I got completely disconnected, I'd probably lose my marbles these days, lol
[02:59:21]
ZRO4825
I'm just TOO used to having internet access these days XD
[02:59:22]
SageSaga
home and work?
[02:59:31]
MatyMaty
I quitted work :P
[02:59:37]
ZRO4825
o.o;;
[02:59:39]
SageSaga
wut
[02:59:55]
MatyMaty
although I will have to go back and help during the weekends anyways
[02:59:56]
MatyMaty
yeaaaj
[03:00:05]
MatyMaty
It was taking soo much of my time
[03:00:12]
MatyMaty
I just had to say "enough"
[03:01:10]
MatyMaty
For those who don't know, I worked in my aunt's restaurant. Or rather "helped". Which means working my ass off for technically no pay
[03:01:21]
ZRO4825
Oh bleh :(
[03:01:29]
MatyMaty
just until they got a "trustworthy employee"
[03:01:29]
sunblaze
ah I see so now you want some serious work?
[03:01:41]
MatyMaty
it's been almost 2 years since
[03:01:48]
MatyMaty
no no more
[03:02:02]
Bgrmystr2
:ptv-unimpressed: I do not approve of their usage of you with no pay.
[03:02:03]
ZRO4825
Well I can't say I blame ya for that, that's just taking advantage of your good nature at that point >:(
[03:02:13]
ZRO4825
Bgr.
[03:02:18]
ZRO4825
Get outta mah head mofo.
[03:02:23]
SageSaga
and done
[03:02:24]
MatyMaty
Yeah. :persevere:
[03:02:27]
Bgrmystr2
<3 no I will not
[03:02:35]
Bgrmystr2
lookin nice sage
[03:02:42]
ZRO4825
Fine, but if you find the corner with the tentacle monster it's your fault, not mine. D:
[03:02:49]
ZRO4825
Lookin good, Sage. ^_^
[03:02:51]
JamesBSquirrel3
[GAPS]:ptv-excited: You reach 7 hour mark! And you done Ink stage - Great Job Sage!
[03:02:54]
MatyMaty
so I will get back to art almost at %100
[03:03:02]
w0lfmare
:thumbsup:
[03:03:21]
MatyMaty
maybe even get Sage to do a fanservice only multi with me every so often :P
[03:03:37]
ZRO4825
He still hasn't posted the pics anywhere from the last one he did. :P
[03:03:42]
MatyMaty
booo
[03:04:01]
ZRO4825
Or if he did he did it on one of the oddball spots. XD
[03:04:05]
SageSaga
:P
[03:04:07]
MatyMaty
well that might have been good :P
[03:04:07]
Bgrmystr2
Oh I met Lemmy already, zro. Really nice dude. Had a chat about tsunderes over a cup of tea.
[03:04:13]
SageSaga
they are secret
[03:04:14]
Bgrmystr2
:)\
[03:04:20]
MatyMaty
Patreon is suspending tons of accounts as of late
[03:04:34]
ZRO4825
Note to self: Screencap all future fanservicey streams from Sage, gotcha.
[03:04:48]
MatyMaty
yus :P
[03:04:54]
SageSaga
eh? what are they being suspended for?
[03:05:00]
w0lfmare
Dumb stuff
[03:05:01]
ZRO4825
Adult work
[03:05:14]
ZRO4825
Basically now any patreon with adult work in a public viewable setting gets suspended.
[03:05:17]
ZRO4825
Chalo's got nailed
[03:05:18]
MatyMaty
apparently if you have anything considered NSFW as a public post
[03:05:33]
MatyMaty
Patreon will put a temp suspension until it is all changed to Patrons only
[03:05:34]
Bgrmystr2
wait, is chalo banned from patreon now?
[03:05:39]
Bgrmystr2
or just temp suspended?
[03:05:40]
ZRO4825
suspended
[03:05:49]
Bgrmystr2
oh okay
[03:05:52]
Bgrmystr2
well that's kinda stupid
[03:05:53]
ZRO4825
Just seen an e-mail 'bout it a few minutes ago
[03:05:57]
MatyMaty
until he removes all the public posts with NSFW content
[03:05:58]
JamesBSquirrel3
So that's how it happen Maty.
[03:05:58]
SageSaga
how does one know what is NSFW?
[03:06:03]
ZRO4825
And yeah, Patreon's shooting themselves in the foot imo
[03:06:07]
MatyMaty
I have no idea
[03:06:10]
w0lfmare
Infinitedge got suspended too
[03:06:21]
w0lfmare
Makes me glad I keep things so safe
[03:06:25]
ZRO4825
I didn't know Infinite had a Patreon. Not surprised though, he does good stuff.
[03:06:25]
MatyMaty
I guess either Patreon marks ALL your posts in your Patreon is set to NSFW
[03:06:31]
Bgrmystr2
Patreon shouldn't have any right to tell ppl what they put on their patreon pages
[03:06:35]
MatyMaty
or they actually look through all the Patreons
[03:06:39]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
My Edgy boy ;-;
[03:06:51]
Bgrmystr2
what happens if someone does NSFW stuff but only uses patreon as a tip gar?
[03:06:51]
MatyMaty
so Chalo gotta go through years of posts and remove them all
[03:06:53]
Bgrmystr2
jar* even
[03:07:02]
MatyMaty
the same, Bgr
[03:07:12]
Bgrmystr2
see, that's fucked on patreon's part
[03:07:16]
ZRO4825
Yup. Doesn't matter to them.
[03:07:18]
Bgrmystr2
they have no right to tell ppl how to post
[03:07:23]
SageSaga
i can understand why
[03:07:35]
sunblaze
is there an option to set them to non-public? or do you have to repost them to add that?
[03:07:38]
SageSaga
NSFW content has a lot of legal issues all over the world
[03:07:42]
w0lfmare
Me too, but they could just put up an age check wall
[03:07:44]
MatyMaty
the thing is Bgr, patreon doesn't have an age gate
[03:07:55]
MatyMaty
for some crazy reason they refuse to add one
[03:07:58]
ZRO4825
That's the funny part, they DO have a click through for that now.
[03:08:01]
Bgrmystr2
put the NSFW patreon pages under a 'you can't see this page unless you're X age"
[03:08:06]
ZRO4825
It just did it to me earlier tonight on Tom's page.
[03:08:07]
w0lfmare
Yeah
[03:08:08]
Bgrmystr2
and problem solved
[03:08:15]
w0lfmare
But people are still suspended
[03:08:20]
ZRO4825
Made me click a "You agree that you are over 18" and yada yada
[03:08:22]
MatyMaty
a lot of people
[03:08:24]
SageSaga
they are probably responding to a threat
[03:08:42]
ZRO4825
If I had to take a wager, whoever does their payment system is throwing a fit.
[03:08:43]
Bgrmystr2
honestly, even if they are, sage, they're shooting themselves in the foot
[03:08:58]
Bgrmystr2
I'm expecting a new site similar to patreon to pop up
[03:08:59]
SageSaga
i doubt that
[03:08:59]
MatyMaty
They are, Bgr
[03:09:04]
MarvTheHugPharaoh
Nighty night Ya'll <3
[03:09:11]
w0lfmare
Night
[03:09:12]
MatyMaty
But remember Patreon can have its dumb moments
[03:09:23]
sunblaze
^yeah,,,,
[03:09:28]
ZRO4825
I know a hentai artist who's working up an adult-friendly alternative to Patreon. The more of this kind of stuff Patreon does, the more likely his is to succeed once he gets it up and running.
[03:09:29]
w0lfmare
Yeah, but it's come through for us so far
[03:09:35]
MatyMaty
remember the "we want to have few life changing creators rather than many small ones"?
[03:09:38]
SageSaga
it was ridiculous of them to allow NSFW stuff to begin with- its a nightmare
[03:09:38]
sunblaze
ok bye and take care everyone!
[03:09:50]
ZRO4825
Take care, Sunblaze
[03:09:56]
JamesBSquirrel3
You need to do a Over 18 required Mature Content Rights in order to change setting to put through.
[03:10:06]
MatyMaty
seeya Sunblaze and Pharao
[03:10:15]
Bgrmystr2
bye sun, marv
[03:10:18]
SageSaga
i had a friend who started an adult site- they said fantasy creatures like elves basically counted as bestiality and were not allowed
[03:10:24]
MatyMaty
wat
[03:10:33]
w0lfmare
Wow
[03:10:33]
ZRO4825
dafuq? lol
[03:10:41]
Bgrmystr2
Rip their site
[03:10:48]
SageSaga
and no credit card company would allow charges through that
[03:10:52]
JamesBSquirrel3
It is insane!
[03:10:58]
MatyMaty
that's sooo much bs :P
[03:11:16]
SageSaga
the CC companies are like Paypal when it comes to porn
[03:11:37]
MatyMaty
Sexyfur has used the same CC company for like 20 years
[03:11:43]
ZRO4825
Like, honestly, I don't know why credit card companies are allowed so much leverage over that stuff. It's kinda ridiculous imo.
[03:11:53]
MatyMaty
and you know what is crazy Sage?
[03:11:57]
SageSaga
uhm
[03:12:00]
ZRO4825
Their job is to funnel money. Not determine what it's allowed to be used for.
[03:12:10]
MatyMaty
There are adult sites where you can pay with PP
[03:12:10]
SageSaga
it makes a lot of sense actually- Credit is different from money
[03:12:17]
MatyMaty
like, webcam sites
[03:12:32]
SageSaga
pretty much any adult site that does that is breaking the rules of PP
[03:12:33]
MatyMaty
I saw the post in twitter a few days ago.
[03:13:14]
JamesBSquirrel3
They are what are, becareful about security interven, okay.
[03:13:33]
ZRO4825
I mean, really, let's face it, sex sells, as the old adage goes. The only thing those companies are doing by trying to be limiting like that is keeping themselves from making more money.
[03:14:11]
SageSaga
they are trying to prevent themselves from being implicated in a SCANDAL
[03:14:18]
MatyMaty
PP or Patreon?
[03:14:22]
Bgrmystr2
honestly, I'm very much expecting a new site like patreon to pop up. As long as patreon demands people hide NSFW behind patron-only posts, they are FORCING every single adult artist to paywall all of their content, literally all of the content they post
[03:14:23]
SageSaga
both
[03:14:29]
MatyMaty
bah I dunno
[03:14:41]
MatyMaty
There are literal alt-right Patreons
[03:14:46]
MatyMaty
that make a lot of money
[03:14:53]
MatyMaty
how isn't that scandalous?
[03:15:51]
SageSaga
because adult content in the US is heavily seen as inappropriate and illegal in many ways while political opinion is free speech
[03:16:01]
ZRO4825
On the one hand, I understand trying to avoid scandal. On the other hand, porn is (at this point in time) hardly scandalous. Frowned upon, yes, but hardly scandalous.
[03:16:08]
MatyMaty
that's kinda dumb :P
[03:16:40]
JamesBSquirrel3
Some users are shouldn't know better, I mean really paranoid.
[03:16:40]
ZRO4825
You can claim the other party is full of poopyheads and all sorts of other untrue rhetoric, but HEY YOU PUT THAT BOOB BACK IN THE SHIRT!!!
[03:16:43]
SageSaga
but it's how things work for now
[03:17:05]
MatyMaty
ah well
[03:17:14]
ZRO4825
Doesn't make it any less dumb imo, lol
[03:17:35]
MatyMaty
at least it seems Patreon will return the account to normal once no public NSFW content is out there
[03:17:42]
SageSaga
yeah but you need to understand how it works to understand- if Patreon doesnt do what its doing right now- it might go away- and i die
[03:17:54]
ZRO4825
Like, I understand not wanting to slap porn across the billboards and such, and keeping it out of public view. But it's like people are trying to make it seem like porn doesn't exist.
[03:17:55]
MatyMaty
o.o
[03:17:58]
ZRO4825
And that's just NOT going to work, lol
[03:18:19]
MatyMaty
meh I dunno Sage
[03:18:22]
MatyMaty
look at Steam
[03:18:27]
Bgrmystr2
Honestly, you're still up and running right sage?
[03:18:31]
ZRO4825
I'd still pay ya every month, Sage ^_^
[03:18:33]
JamesBSquirrel3
It is pointless!
[03:18:38]
MatyMaty
they pretty much said "all is allowed"
[03:18:59]
ZRO4825
Yeah, Steam about-faced after the backlash they got for trying to chop out "sexy" anime Visual Novels.
[03:19:07]
MatyMaty
yeah
[03:19:11]
ZRO4825
Just said "Ya know what? Here, everything goes, police yourselves."
[03:19:16]
MatyMaty
yup
[03:19:25]
MatyMaty
and I mean, it sounds dumb
[03:19:26]
Bgrmystr2
yeah, your patreon page is still up sage. I'm honestly more worried about people like Chalo, infinite, and other people who rely on the income from patreon to survive each month.. and as long as their acct is under review
[03:19:28]
Bgrmystr2
they get no money
[03:19:50]
MatyMaty
but I'm pretty sure they had a law team telling them it was okay
[03:19:53]
ZRO4825
Uh....Bgr. Need to rewrite that. Sage relies on his to surviv too. :P
[03:19:54]
MatyMaty
and yeah Bgr
[03:19:58]
SageSaga
i dont know why I have to explain this- its like i know exactly why they do this and how they have to- but i gotta break it all down for you all just to understand it enough to drop it
[03:20:07]
Bgrmystr2
well yeah zro, but sage is up. not under review
[03:20:20]
MatyMaty
Sage isn't marked as NSFW
[03:20:24]
MatyMaty
so he should be okay
[03:20:28]
ZRO4825
Um, Sage, we understand. Or at least I do. Doesn't mean I necessarily AGREE with it. ^^;
[03:20:33]
SageSaga
yeah but is my content SFW?
[03:20:45]
MatyMaty
I'd say so
[03:20:46]
Bgrmystr2
Technically, I'd say yes
[03:20:53]
Bgrmystr2
:thinking:
[03:20:54]
ZRO4825
Depends on who you ask. Some prudes I'm sure would say it's not, but I say screw them, lol.
[03:21:02]
SageSaga
see thats my point
[03:21:10]
SageSaga
what do THEY consider NSFW
[03:21:24]
MatyMaty
I mean Sage, there's people who would be like "why are you showing lesbians to children???"
[03:21:32]
w0lfmare
I'm sure there's a list
[03:21:38]
Bgrmystr2
well, you've got risque art, sure, but nothin pornographic
[03:21:48]
Bgrmystr2
so you're fine imo
[03:21:51]
MatyMaty
yeah
[03:21:53]
JamesBSquirrel3
It cannot show it under18
[03:21:58]
ZRO4825
Yeah, but it depends on who's doing the reviewing that determines where the line is for "NSFW"
[03:22:06]
ZRO4825
and THAT is a potential problem.
[03:22:10]
MatyMaty
The patreon thing seems to be a mostly automated thing
[03:22:10]
SageSaga
Maty that doesnt work
[03:22:30]
SageSaga
you show men and women kissing - Lesbians kissing would be the same
[03:22:43]
JamesBSquirrel3
Indeed
[03:22:52]
MatyMaty
I know :P but I'm just saying what I read in the news
[03:23:12]
SageSaga
the point is- Showing porn to someone under 18 is illegal and a site caught doing that can be seriously fined
[03:23:24]
SageSaga
and every day they dont correct it - the fine is daily
[03:23:33]
ZRO4825
Well, yes, but isn't that what the idea of an age gate is for?
[03:23:40]
MatyMaty
Bleh Patreon should just put an age gate
[03:23:46]
MatyMaty
and be done with it
[03:23:59]
ZRO4825
They HAVE one now.
[03:24:01]
SageSaga
yes- and they have- but its not enough- they had to act immediately or face being shut down
[03:24:06]
SageSaga
then we are all screwed
[03:24:10]
w0lfmare
I find it strange that Tom's Patreon wasn't also suspended
[03:24:18]
ZRO4825
Like I said saying earlier, I had to click a "Yes I'm over 18" thing just to look at something on Tom's patreon earlier.
[03:24:27]
w0lfmare
Since he tagged his NSFW to be safe
[03:24:38]
MatyMaty
I guess it might be sometime
[03:24:47]
w0lfmare
Infinitedge did the same and sort of does the same level of stuff, but his was suspended
[03:24:51]
ZRO4825
Well, technically nothing of Tom's is across the line into NSFW territory either. Nothing any worse than s
[03:24:53]
MatyMaty
even if the keidran girls have no details, they are still nude
[03:24:55]
ZRO4825
Sage's stuff.*
[03:24:59]
MatyMaty
that might count as NSFW
[03:25:15]
ZRO4825
I think Tom said he set it that way just in case.
[03:25:33]
SageSaga
i have several pictures of girls practically naked
[03:25:48]
JamesBSquirrel3
We should not involve to Tom otherwise
[03:25:51]
ZRO4825
Toyoko with the cake...been a couple of Kaylin I think
[03:26:10]
SageSaga
heck I have Nyna in a hotspring pool with a rubber duck and a little ship blocking her nipples
[03:26:13]
ZRO4825
Nyna still hasn't figured out how panties work...
[03:26:31]
JamesBSquirrel3
... we could end up spoilers
[03:26:42]
MatyMaty
ah well
[03:26:46]
ZRO4825
Not sure what you're referring to there, james.
[03:27:10]
ZRO4825
Honestly, I'm kinda hoping Patreon realizes that they're diving a bit overboard, and that there's a much simpler solution to all this, and everything can go back to normal.
[03:27:21]
SageSaga
its not simple
[03:27:22]
MatyMaty
Same, Zro
[03:27:29]
JamesBSquirrel3
Ah! I'm typing things you'll heard conversation
[03:27:33]
ZRO4825
Just strikes me as another Patreon "We need to fix things" over-reaction.
[03:27:46]
SageSaga
thats what im trying to explain- if they dont nip it - stuff sucks for everyone
[03:28:00]
MatyMaty
Yus
[03:28:02]
ZRO4825
Right
[03:28:14]
MatyMaty
I guess it is only matter of the word going out
[03:28:26]
MatyMaty
that you shouldn't have NSFW posts set as public
[03:28:33]
w0lfmare
Big thing here is communication I think. We need to know exactly what's going on and why
[03:28:39]
SageSaga
complaining about it is the wrong thing to do right now- right now is the time to learn and process and then- suggest solutions
[03:28:45]
ZRO4825
^ so much what w0lf said
[03:28:49]
Bgrmystr2
the problem with that, maty, is that everyone will be forced to paywall porn
[03:28:53]
Bgrmystr2
and that's not going to go well
[03:28:56]
JamesBSquirrel3
it mean private from public
[03:29:04]
MatyMaty
I think something like DA's posting would work
[03:29:21]
MatyMaty
Creator has to say if the post is SFW or NSFW
[03:29:22]
SageSaga
i dont see a problem with paywalling porn and being like "Hey I have a tumblr here -"
[03:29:33]
MatyMaty
and if it is NSFW it is automatically Patrons only
[03:29:41]
ZRO4825
Well, I mean, most of us pay for what of it we get anyway, so THAT part is not necessarily so bad. But for like, say, Chalo, who does a comic with NSFW elements on occasion. I don't pay Chalo (because I've only got so much money each month)
[03:29:41]
Bgrmystr2
cuz you're not allowed to link offsite to places w/ porn as well, sage
[03:29:52]
ZRO4825
But I still get to see his posts. This way, I'm not gonna be able to. :(
[03:30:10]
MatyMaty
Chalo posts all his stuff at Tumblr and Twitter too, tho
[03:30:16]
MatyMaty
there is no paywalled content
[03:30:18]
ZRO4825
Yeah, I heard they've been tagging patreons even just with links now.
[03:30:20]
w0lfmare
Plus free posts help draw in new Patrons
[03:31:02]
SageSaga
my guess is - if something legal happened they need crush it - and are probably like "Whoa wait- we made a ton of money on these porn people-" and they will find a solution
[03:31:18]
MatyMaty
another super easy way would be like
[03:31:27]
JamesBSquirrel3
So much to be how to spent from saving money for the most otherwise as it is:ptv-sad:
[03:31:27]
w0lfmare
So, a repeat of December? XD
[03:31:28]
MatyMaty
post a thumbnail or censored version
[03:31:38]
ZRO4825
Pretty much w0lf, lol
[03:31:42]
MatyMaty
and say like "full drawing at twitter"
[03:31:44]
MatyMaty
without a link
[03:32:31]
SageSaga
so - let's see what's going on
[03:33:17]
w0lfmare
Not a bad idea Maty, though I would add the Twitter name somewhere or something
[03:33:29]
MatyMaty
yus
[03:33:44]
ZRO4825
I hate twitter :rofl:
[03:33:54]
MatyMaty
Lol why Zro?
[03:34:03]
ZRO4825
idk, just something 'bout the way it works just irritates me
[03:34:18]
ZRO4825
Then again I don't like reddit either, so I'm just weird, lol
[03:34:20]
Bgrmystr2
everything about twitter I dislike.
[03:34:20]
Bgrmystr2
so
[03:34:21]
MatyMaty
I only hate twitter when I click something and then see an amazing art or artist suggestion
[03:34:33]
JamesBSquirrel3
mine as well
[03:34:34]
Bgrmystr2
I don't like most sites tho
[03:34:40]
MatyMaty
only to go back and see it is gone forever
[03:34:45]
ZRO4825
D:
[03:35:03]
Bgrmystr2
Don't like reddit, or twitter, any of the social medias, tumblr, facebook, imgrrr, etc etc
[03:35:06]
Bgrmystr2
meh
[03:35:17]
ZRO4825
I hate it because like, I'll click on a linked post, get to it, be like "Oh cool" go to click around it for some reason and it just poofs off the screen and I can't find it again, lol
[03:35:45]
MatyMaty
Only BBS and Usenet :v
[03:35:54]
MatyMaty
same, Zro XD
[03:35:56]
ZRO4825
Also, while we're griping about Patreon, can someone PLEASE tell them that endlessly scrolling pages are NOT a great way to do things? Cuz OMG does that suck when you're trying to find a picture.
[03:36:11]
ZRO4825
Seriously, let us just use PAGES like a normal damned website! @.@
[03:36:31]
Bgrmystr2
xD
[03:36:37]
Bgrmystr2
give us the option
[03:36:39]
ZRO4825
Nooo, gotta use that stupid "Load more" button. >:(
[03:36:43]
JamesBSquirrel3
It couldn't see as far as too slow?
[03:36:49]
w0lfmare
Agreed XD
[03:36:50]
MatyMaty
I guess the endless scrolling is for phones :P
[03:36:57]
ZRO4825
I've gone hunting for pictures doing that before and had to load so damned much more that my computer starts to lag.
[03:37:05]
Bgrmystr2
cuz there's image sites I surf that give the option, and I like the scrolling more
[03:37:06]
ZRO4825
Seriously, that is dumb. :O
[03:37:12]
SageSaga
there is a lot they can do to improve things
[03:37:17]
Bgrmystr2
but it also gives previews on every image and shows like.. 8 or so per row..
[03:37:18]
MatyMaty
which makes it absurd you have to deal with it on a browser
[03:37:29]
w0lfmare
Tags were a step at least. Now we need a search
[03:37:31]
Bgrmystr2
like 7 or so rows a screen
[03:37:36]
MatyMaty
I really like the Tumblr archive option
[03:37:37]
ZRO4825
I usually do too, Bgr, but there's a point where your computer's like "Load a seperate page, asshole!" :joy:
[03:37:44]
MatyMaty
you can just check month by month
[03:37:44]
SageSaga
my first complaint - 5 tags max for a post XD
[03:37:47]
MatyMaty
or year by year
[03:37:51]
ZRO4825
omg yes, stupid tag limit, lol
[03:38:04]
ZRO4825
Especially with the way you're batch-uploading for the month now, Sage :joy:
[03:38:09]
w0lfmare
You max out your tags?
[03:38:10]
ZRO4825
There's no way in HELL to tag all the characters now XD
[03:38:14]
JamesBSquirrel3
That kind a work senario
[03:38:16]
MatyMaty
that means Sage, never draw more than 5 charas in a drawing .P
[03:38:36]
ZRO4825
Sage is screwed either way now, since he went to uploading the whole month in one post. :joy:
[03:38:49]
MatyMaty
:p
[03:38:56]
ZRO4825
Cuz that's...what, 5 or 6 sketches + the color images? All with different characters usually. :rofl:
[03:39:02]
SageSaga
yep
[03:39:35]
MatyMaty
eek, is almost 4:00 am here :astonished:
[03:39:50]
MatyMaty
Time to try to sleep :(
[03:40:02]
ZRO4825
almost 5 our time :P
[03:40:26]
SageSaga
looks like Camgirls are being hit the hardest
[03:40:44]
MatyMaty
I can imagine
[03:40:56]
ZRO4825
Not supposed to hit your ladies, it's not right. :V
[03:40:57]
w0lfmare
On Patreon???
[03:41:06]
w0lfmare
Didn't even know that was a thing
[03:41:18]
ZRO4825
I'm with w0lf though, had NO clue that was a thing on Patreon, lol
[03:41:25]
SageSaga
yeah thats why there is such a big wide sweeping thing
[03:41:33]
ZRO4825
:facepalm:
[03:41:41]
MatyMaty
well W0lf they do it as cosplay
[03:41:50]
SageSaga
there are so many cam girls - probably 50 for every hentai artist
[03:41:55]
MatyMaty
Yeah
[03:41:58]
ZRO4825
O_O;;;
[03:42:02]
ZRO4825
holy shit
[03:42:14]
ZRO4825
And here I am just seeing Sage and Tom and Fluff's stuff.
[03:42:16]
ZRO4825
wth
[03:42:21]
MatyMaty
even a couple artists who have two patreons
[03:42:31]
MatyMaty
one for art and one for lewd photos
[03:42:33]
ZRO4825
I coulda been hookin up with camgirls on Patreon! I've been bamboozled! D:
[03:42:40]
MatyMaty
lol Zro
[03:42:46]
MatyMaty
there are artist camgirls too :P
[03:42:48]
ZRO4825
Oh, wait, I like the artwork better anyway, nevermind, all is well!
[03:42:59]
ZRO4825
Get off the cameras, Maty! :P
[03:43:04]
SageSaga
and they are slamming Patreon with such gems like this -
[03:43:04]
MatyMaty
lmao
[03:43:18]
SageSaga
"Is your company morally against sex workers?"
[03:43:30]
MatyMaty
actually considered starting one like that cuz the money seems to be pretty good <__<
[03:43:34]
ZRO4825
XD
[03:43:42]
Bgrmystr2
maty pls
[03:43:55]
ZRO4825
Eh, way I see it, if they're not hurting anyone, let'em do what they want. ^_^
[03:44:12]
MatyMaty
Beats doing it for free, Zro :P
[03:44:19]
MatyMaty
er, Bgr
[03:44:24]
ZRO4825
Well yeah, I certainly won't argue that o_o;
[03:44:52]
MatyMaty
but yeah. The arts and crafts section on Twitch has kinda the same trouble
[03:44:56]
ZRO4825
I mean, as a viewer, nothing beats free, but fair is fair :joy:
[03:45:10]
Bgrmystr2
I think if sex wasn't seen as some obscene thing cuz everyone is prudes, sex wouldn't be such a big industry with so much money in it.
[03:45:23]
ZRO4825
Really? Because Twitch is VERY much anti-NSFW, so I'm not sure how that'd fly on there at all. :o
[03:45:28]
Bgrmystr2
and it wouldn't be such a big deal for ppl to get into it
[03:45:34]
MatyMaty
there are streams like "I'm gonna make some halloween decoration crafts! I just happen to wear a bikini just because"
[03:45:34]
SageSaga
again- the issue is parts of it are illegal - simple as that
[03:45:50]
MatyMaty
and bam, a few hundreds a night in tips :P
[03:45:57]
JamesBSquirrel3
On the otherhand about Salary as well?
[03:46:25]
SageSaga
and yeah Maty- those streams are getting removed
[03:46:28]
ZRO4825
Yeah, Maty, can't argue that. Tips are always better when you appeal to the horny masses, lol
[03:47:01]
MatyMaty
well that's okay sage
[03:47:17]
ZRO4825
And yet I throw most of my patreon money at one of the two SFW artists on my list. :thinking: :rofl:
[03:47:48]
MatyMaty
Twitch is not the place for that .P
[03:47:52]
JamesBSquirrel3
Works most of them time
[03:48:05]
MatyMaty
They should just post it in twitter like I do :P
[03:48:10]
ZRO4825
Exactly, Maty. That's not what Twitch is for. You wanna be a camgirl, go to pornhub....or that XD
[03:48:56]
MatyMaty
But yeh. I think patreon should start cracking down in some things
[03:49:15]
MatyMaty
like all the camming
[03:49:30]
ZRO4825
Cracking down is fine imo. But the way they do it REALLY needs some fine-tuning, imo, lol
[03:49:32]
MatyMaty
and all of those weird Patreons that doesn't seem to offer anything at all
[03:49:48]
JamesBSquirrel3
The hardest things what we should? Earnings.
[03:50:05]
w0lfmare
If it's also cosplay, how CAN they remove it?
[03:50:21]
MatyMaty
Be either "I'm creating free opinions and pride in our heritage" or the "I'm creating feminism and convesations on diversity"
[03:50:27]
MatyMaty
Like, what?
[03:50:27]
SageSaga
i would like to see what the suspension emails look like
[03:50:40]
MatyMaty
that's literally asking money to post tweets
[03:50:44]
MatyMaty
it's absurd
[03:50:57]
w0lfmare
Yeah that'd be easy to remove
[03:50:59]
JamesBSquirrel3
Never work on that(!)
[03:51:23]
MatyMaty
I'll ask Chalo for it and send it to ya tomorrow Sage
[03:51:26]
SageSaga
i really wish i could just be pissed off about children being taken from their parents but no- now i gotta worry about Patreon
[03:51:34]
w0lfmare
"I'm creating carbon dioxide and new high score at my local arcade"
[03:51:41]
MatyMaty
lol w0lf
[03:52:28]
ZRO4825
Our world's got so much bigger crap wrong in it, and stuff like this is what we get to deal with on top of it, aye :(
[03:52:32]
JamesBSquirrel3
Well we will wait and see next.
[03:52:36]
MatyMaty
:(
[03:52:39]
ZRO4825
and lol w0lf :joy:
[03:53:22]
SageSaga
ok i think i found where i might be safe
[03:53:34]
MatyMaty
I think if anything Sage, you might have to do the same as Tom and set your Patreon to NSFW and just make all posts Patron only.
[03:53:41]
SageSaga
"We also require that all public content on your page be appropriate for all audiences. "
[03:54:10]
JamesBSquirrel3
That circumstance to me
[03:54:39]
Bgrmystr2
dunno what tom's going to do. he doesn't do any patron-only posts unless it's for voting or whatnot
[03:54:42]
SageSaga
they have a much longer explanation of adult content
[03:55:01]
MatyMaty
oh boy
[03:55:18]
w0lfmare
Oh?
[03:55:21]
MatyMaty
a long explanation on what it is NSFW
[03:55:27]
MatyMaty
that sounds confusing
[03:55:38]
SageSaga
https://www.patreon.com/guidelines#adult-content
[03:55:47]
ZRO4825
"All cleavage must now be thoroughly contained with in a turtleneck sweater."
[03:56:36]
JamesBSquirrel3
It took hard learn than I though
[03:56:43]
Bgrmystr2
that page literally says "We retain the right to be the prude police"
[03:57:14]
MatyMaty
well it pretty much states a lot of the cosplay patreons are just plainly not allowed
[03:57:25]
SageSaga
yep
[03:57:33]
MatyMaty
but the whole "fringe content" is too vague
[03:57:39]
ZRO4825
To be fair, a lot of them imo were WAY overcharging as is <_<;;
[03:57:48]
JamesBSquirrel3
It is unfortunally.
[03:57:49]
Bgrmystr2
if it's not acceptable for all ages, they are going to force you to paywall it, and that's not something they should be able to choose.
[03:58:17]
SageSaga
yeah they have to leave it open so if something comes up they can cover it under that umbrella but also say "Sorry we didnt make that more clear-" and they will take a punch and have it removed
[03:58:40]
MatyMaty
well yes, but my problem is like
[03:59:00]
MatyMaty
it seems it all comes down to whoever from the staff reviews it
[03:59:49]
SageSaga
it can - but see they can have a more official list of fetishes they dont allow
[03:59:52]
MatyMaty
That always makes me uncomfortable
[03:59:57]
Bgrmystr2
honestly, I don't see myself using patreon in the future if they're going to do this.
[04:00:02]
SageSaga
that only they have access to and wont make it public
[04:00:03]
ZRO4825
Honestly, yeah, it seems pretty clear cut to me.
[04:00:13]
MatyMaty
yeah
[04:00:43]
JamesBSquirrel3
Private? Means No any Publics
[04:00:44]
MatyMaty
But yeh, I think you are in the clear, Sage
[04:00:45]
ZRO4825
They're basically saying "All your REALLY fucked up shit, please don't bring that here" lol
[04:01:05]
ZRO4825
Which I can't rightly say I blame them for o.o;
[04:01:11]
MatyMaty
yeah
[04:01:12]
Bgrmystr2
by "really fucked up shit" you mean "anything 18+ in general", zro, then yeah
[04:01:17]
SageSaga
i need patreon - i cant support myself without it- so thats why im so adamant that yall chill and dont let me die over this
[04:01:29]
MatyMaty
it makes me wonder if they had many Patreons like that
[04:01:39]
MatyMaty
to the point they had to be so specific
[04:01:59]
JamesBSquirrel3
Like in anyways have
[04:02:01]
Bgrmystr2
well, it's not like we can do anything about patreon sage lol
[04:02:03]
MatyMaty
awww sorry Sage :(
[04:02:03]
ZRO4825
Sage, whoa, dude, we're on your side for the most part on this. We're just trying to keep them from slamming down on peeps like Fluff and them too is all. ^^;
[04:02:20]
Bgrmystr2
prettymuch ^
[04:02:54]
JamesBSquirrel3
I have to admit this scenario's
[04:04:27]
JamesBSquirrel3
I will say these Patreon 18+, rules are rulrs
[04:04:50]
JamesBSquirrel3
rules*
[04:04:55]
MatyMaty
now is 4:00 am :P
[04:05:01]
MatyMaty
Nite nitee everyone!
[04:05:02]
SageSaga
5am
[04:05:09]
MatyMaty
seeya tomorrow at the stream!
[04:05:13]
ZRO4825
G'night Maty!
[04:05:16]
ZRO4825
Sleep well~
[04:05:28]
w0lfmare
Night Maty
[04:05:47]
Bgrmystr2
gnight maty
[04:06:06]
JamesBSquirrel3
It would'nt been 8hrs, but it been great conversation talk to you guys.
[04:06:40]
JamesBSquirrel3
All we see you'll again someday
[04:07:09]
JamesBSquirrel3
Goodbye to all!:ptv-hearts:
[04:07:49]
w0lfmare
Later James
[04:08:17]
JamesBSquirrel3
Later!
[04:09:49]
SageSaga
night folks!
[04:13:00]
ZRO4825
G'night Sage!
[04:13:09]
Xexanoth
so, we found out something about the patreon 18+ thing?
[04:14:38]
Bgrmystr2
yeah it's bad.
[04:14:48]
Bgrmystr2
and not seeming to get any better
[04:16:10]
w0lfmare
Night!
[04:17:08]
Xexanoth
well...we have a song for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STUFbDdEnsY
[04:17:15]
Xexanoth
so we got get going for us
[04:26:05]
Xexanoth
so now that i have breakfast any more details on that than: it's bad?
[04:28:09]
Bgrmystr2
https://www.patreon.com/guidelines#adult-content read it for yourself.
[04:34:51]
Xexanoth
yeah, those have been in effect for awhile, but any reason given why it now hit's furrry artist that don't do porn?
[04:36:17]
Bgrmystr2
it hits more than just them
[04:36:27]
Bgrmystr2
hitting cam girls really hard
[04:36:30]
Bgrmystr2
among other ppl
[04:36:42]
Xexanoth
well, most camgirls sell porn so
[04:36:52]
Xexanoth
thats kinda obvious that they get hit
[04:44:43]
SageSaga
https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/27/patreon-adult-content-crowdfunding-uncertainty/
[04:45:06]
SageSaga
look for the part about Adam Grayson - he explains what i was talking about earlier
[14:00:58]
Bgrmystr2
saaaaaaage :u
[14:01:23]
Ordithus
:ptv-greetings: Good afternoon!
[14:01:41]
SageSaga
yo
[14:02:15]
steyrmodder
hey all
[14:02:46]
sunblaze
yay saturday sage-stream :D
[14:03:07]
sunblaze
hi everyone
[14:03:24]
SageSaga
howdy Sunblaze ^^
[14:04:05]
Ordithus
Now I will be super productive... no this isn't a distraction from work I swear
[14:04:07]
Grip
hi
[14:05:00]
SageSaga
yo Grip
[14:07:57]
w0lfmare
Hello hello
[14:08:35]
SageSaga
Hello w0lf
[14:08:53]
Ordithus
yo w0lf
[14:10:23]
Grip
How are things? ^^
[14:11:43]
SageSaga
goodish
[14:15:02]
Grip
That's good.
[14:18:01]
LannAF
aight I'm here!
[14:18:04]
LannAF
Hi! :D
[14:18:17]
LannAF
Just got off the phone with Sticky Sage. Omg that last episode of what we watched
[14:18:27]
LannAF
It was so gosh dang good
[14:18:44]
SageSaga
yeah - next week will be an unwind episode
[14:19:16]
LannAF
probs end of season
[14:20:22]
SageSaga
is it only 12 episodes this season?
[14:22:57]
LannAF
I mean
[14:23:05]
LannAF
If they kept going for more I'd be very pleasantly surprised
[14:23:24]
SageSaga
season 2 was 25 episodes
[14:33:23]
sunblaze
has anyone watched jurrassic wolr 2 yet?
[14:33:31]
sunblaze
viable maybe even good?
[14:33:42]
SageSaga
didnt know it was out
[14:34:32]
SageSaga
oh- its not out here in the states yet
[14:34:37]
SageSaga
next week
[14:34:54]
sunblaze
waht? we actually god a movie 2 weeks earlier.
[14:34:59]
sunblaze
strange thing shppen :P
[14:35:07]
JamesBSquirrel3
huh, huh, huh ... Now I got here now went was o'clock! Hello you guys!
[14:35:28]
SageSaga
seems Europe often gets movies a bit earlier
[14:35:49]
sunblaze
often enough 3 month later as well
[14:36:12]
JamesBSquirrel3
I see already start it colours
[14:56:27]
ZRO4825
Bleeeh, this heat is ick today. Tempted to actually use my car's AC for once. -.-
[14:58:28]
SageSaga
brb!
[15:00:31]
Ordithus
No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater, than central air.
[15:01:09]
Ordithus
I also never use AC
[15:05:09]
SageSaga
back
[15:05:37]
SageSaga
. . . *Glances over at the AC unit blasting right next to him*
[15:06:04]
Ordithus
wb Sage
[15:06:21]
Xexanoth
LifeHack: just live somewhere where you don't need an AC :ptv-SteelwormHades:
[15:06:29]
Ordithus
^ it works, I tell ya
[15:06:52]
SageSaga
Im gonna thumb down that Lifehack because its not helpful
[15:07:34]
JamesBSquirrel3
(sign) I have to say that is obey rules of a rules
[15:09:20]
JamesBSquirrel3
Well I don't know what's going, but I don't like to treated thread socienty points especially Sage rules it is.
[15:09:34]
Ordithus
OK, that is enough work for a Saturday. I'm gonna drive home, be back soonish.
[15:10:09]
SageSaga
i can't decode your messages today James
[15:10:31]
Xexanoth
It's like sometime his translator just breaks
[15:10:35]
JamesBSquirrel3
Huh? Why not? Is something wrong?
[15:11:01]
SageSaga
Yes, your previous 2 messages make no sense in English
[15:11:44]
JamesBSquirrel3
Oh. But someone though it said that a thing or two, was it?
[15:12:20]
Bgrmystr2
hahaha gl sage
[15:12:51]
SageSaga
James that also made no sense
[15:13:25]
JamesBSquirrel3
Or was it my mistaken to soon. Oh what am I doing to myself(!) (sign)
[15:14:20]
SageSaga
also "Sign" is an object that displays a warning. I think you mean "Sigh"
[15:15:19]
JamesBSquirrel3
Oh shoot Sigh(!) I shouldn't done again to keep learning like this
[15:17:26]
JamesBSquirrel3
Anyway I should stop talking a mess
[15:18:12]
ZRO4825
I have a different reason for not using my AC. Kills my gas mileage :P
[15:19:41]
SageSaga
man i havent filled my gas tank in my car in almost 2 months now
[15:22:47]
Twokinds
:ctwokinds-nibsbounce: Hello!
[15:23:07]
SageSaga
yo Tom
[15:23:15]
ZRO4825
Heyyo Tom
[15:23:43]
ZRO4825
I think it's been almost 2 days since I put gas in my car, lol
[15:23:55]
Grip
Hi Tom
[15:26:14]
Twokinds
Not filling up for 2 months would still be pretty frequent for me. XD
[15:26:56]
Mihari
Is that good for a car? O_o
[15:27:00]
SageSaga
yeah but you risk your gas going bad levels of refueling
[15:27:18]
SageSaga
its bad if you dont at least drive it a bit
[15:27:21]
Twokinds
lol yeah my gas tends to start going bad before it runs out XD
[15:27:24]
Twokinds
I've filled up my car once this year.
[15:27:39]
SageSaga
=_=
[15:28:22]
Weonitus
seems sustainable
[15:28:34]
Weonitus
WhatCouldGoWrong(tm)
[15:28:50]
Twokinds
I've had my mother start to drive it around every now and then just so things don't get clogged or whatever.
[15:29:08]
SageSaga
good
[15:29:54]
SageSaga
still- its not good
[15:30:09]
SageSaga
to have that old of gas in your tank
[15:30:53]
Bgrmystr2
that sythe riding nibbly image turned out goddamned great, Tom
[15:31:04]
Bgrmystr2
just saw it
[15:32:05]
Xexanoth
i would be more worried about the battery
[15:32:20]
Xexanoth
they generally don't like it if you don'T drive the car for long periods of time
[15:32:45]
Xexanoth
totally never happened to me *cough*
[15:33:40]
Twokinds
That's just what the gas companies want you to say.
[15:33:50]
Twokinds
So you buy more gas!
[15:34:08]
iliar
Hmm ... I don't drive very much. Sometimes it seems to me that I do not need a car at all. But the full tank is only 300 miles. You have not traveled less than 300 miles since the beginning of the year.
[15:34:15]
Bgrmystr2
easily solved problem. Don't go anywhere and don't own a car! :D
[15:34:20]
Weonitus
the mad man
[15:34:28]
Bgrmystr2
no car, no gas, no problem.
[15:34:48]
Xexanoth
until you need to drive somewhere
[15:34:57]
Bgrmystr2
I never need to drive anywhere.
[15:35:02]
Bgrmystr2
:v
[15:38:32]
SageSaga
Bill Gates busts in "I need someone to drive me 10 minutes away right now! I'll give you 10 Million dollars!" - and you are that guy that says "Dude- just use Uber or Lyft"
[15:40:46]
Bgrmystr2
that'll never happen, and I don't even own a vehicle, so
[15:41:35]
SpazztasticKiwi
I’ve gotten to where I prefer not driving
[15:41:37]
iliar
@Twokinds Tom, I want to ask. Is Therie pregnant on this art? https://www.patreon.com/posts/guess-whos-to-19452371 If I'm not mistaken, Humans and Keidran can not have children. But she looks pregnant.
[15:43:05]
SageSaga
=_=
[15:43:45]
SageSaga
you might wanna read the comic again and perhaps notice that Flora is pregnant
[15:44:17]
Bgrmystr2
Yeah I was gonna say, if you hadn't noticed, flora's been pregnant for a while
[15:45:01]
SpazztasticKiwi
I don’t think it’s really that Keidran and human relationships can’t equal pregnancy, i feel it maybe more like no one’s ever reported when or if it’s happened because of the racism
[15:45:35]
SageSaga
=-=
[15:45:48]
Bgrmystr2
Kiwi.. no
[15:45:50]
Bgrmystr2
xD
[15:45:54]
iliar
Flora is an exception.
[15:46:03]
SageSaga
no
[15:46:04]
SpazztasticKiwi
There’s that too
[15:46:11]
Bgrmystr2
that's not even what happened
[15:46:14]
SpazztasticKiwi
I know.
[15:46:15]
SageSaga
omg
[15:46:41]
SpazztasticKiwi
I’m also half paying attention
[15:46:54]
Bgrmystr2
Flora became pregnant because neutral allowed children from human and keidran relationships.
[15:47:05]
Bgrmystr2
it happened in the comic.
[15:47:15]
Bgrmystr2
srsly, it was said
[15:47:16]
SageSaga
there's a comic where a god blatantly undoes the restriction on crossbreeding - i dont know how anyone can miss that
[15:47:17]
SpazztasticKiwi
Like I said, there’s that too
[15:47:27]
Bgrmystr2
you said the opposite of it, kiwi
[15:47:28]
Bgrmystr2
xD
[15:47:30]
iliar
Mask helped them to have children http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/206/
[15:48:02]
SageSaga
not just them
[15:48:08]
SageSaga
all keidrans and humans
[15:48:28]
SpazztasticKiwi
It’s one theory I’ve seen that makes sense only without the info from the comic
[15:48:42]
Bgrmystr2
Neutral is talking about allowing the human/keidran hybrids
[15:48:43]
SpazztasticKiwi
As much sense as it could make - improbable
[15:49:19]
iliar
Can you give an example of another couple Humans and Keidran who have children?
[15:49:52]
SageSaga
you just gave one
[15:50:08]
Xexanoth
no, because in universe it only happened very recently and the comic is focues on a handful of people
[15:50:18]
SpazztasticKiwi
Never said the theory was foolproof. Most I’ve come across are that way
[15:50:28]
SageSaga
you want Tom to draw every human in the world having sex with a keidran? thats gonna be an expensive commission
[15:50:51]
SpazztasticKiwi
It rubbed me the wrong way because it meant the possibility of seeing other hybrids as adults
[15:50:55]
Ordithus
I return!
[15:51:09]
SpazztasticKiwi
Ord! ✌🏻
[15:51:15]
Ordithus
Yo Kiwi
[15:52:02]
Bgrmystr2
hey kiwi
[15:52:18]
SpazztasticKiwi
Yes? 🙂
[15:52:23]
Bgrmystr2
what's wrong with having other hybrids beyond flora and trace's kids?
[15:52:32]
Bgrmystr2
why would that rub you the wrong way?
[15:52:46]
SpazztasticKiwi
Wouldn’t they be treated differently from both sides?
[15:52:56]
iliar
You do not have to draw. In the comic, Trace says that he did not even hear a single mention of hybrids.
[15:52:59]
SpazztasticKiwi
“Not one of us, but not us either”
[15:53:17]
SageSaga
omg
[15:53:37]
Ordithus
It's a new thing. Flora is the first hybrid momma
[15:54:30]
Xexanoth
i mean, if we go by sketches Therie will probably beat flora XD
[15:55:44]
SpazztasticKiwi
Who knows
[15:55:58]
SpazztasticKiwi
But maybe not as it seems
[15:56:31]
Ordithus
The Therie, then Maren...
[15:56:37]
Ordithus
*Then Therie
[15:58:08]
iliar
On page 739 Flora says "I just always assumed it wasn’t possible between a human and a Keidran!". If children from a human and a Keidran normal, probably someone would have heard of them.
[15:58:30]
SageSaga
it wasnt possible - but then a GOD made it possible
[15:58:33]
Ordithus
iliar, like we've been saying, this is a new thing.
[15:58:52]
SpazztasticKiwi
Power is out at work
[15:59:08]
Ordithus
There are probably quite a few unexpecting expecting mothers
[15:59:23]
Xexanoth
Iliar you were the one who posted the link to the page where the Mask changed the rules of the world....
[15:59:45]
SpazztasticKiwi
I think I got it all now
[15:59:49]
Xexanoth
he didn't just change the rules for flora and trace but for everyone
[16:00:03]
iliar
Why do you think that the mask has made this available for all.
[16:00:24]
SageSaga
it says in that comic
[16:00:29]
SageSaga
to preserve the Keidran race
[16:00:42]
SageSaga
you cant do that with ONE BABY
[16:00:46]
SpazztasticKiwi
I gotta go. Can’t clock in cause no power and I have no idea what we’re supposed to be doing
[16:00:51]
SpazztasticKiwi
Be back later
[16:00:54]
Ordithus
Bye Kiwi
[16:01:32]
Xexanoth
also im pretty sure tom answered the question in chat before that it was for everyone...
[16:02:19]
w0lfmare
One baby to rule them all
[16:02:46]
Xexanoth
*baby dies before growing up because thats what happens in medival times*
[16:03:18]
iliar
Hmm ... Sounds reasonable. I always thought that the mask affected only Trace and Flora
[16:03:21]
Ordithus
Neutral: "$#!&"
[16:04:14]
Xexanoth
it's gonna be real fun for all the templar who suddenly get hybrid babies from their keidran slaves....
[16:04:37]
Xexanoth
less fun for the slaves though
[16:05:56]
SageSaga
Slave - "Bwahaha! This child is of royal blood and shall be your king some day!" King- "Dang it- rules are rules..."
[16:06:58]
SageSaga
(IRL - "Kill the mother and the child".)
[16:07:13]
Xexanoth
didn't know the Templar were germans, but i guess it makes sense :D
[16:07:57]
SageSaga
uhm- that's not just a german thing- pretty much a- everywhere thing
[16:09:17]
SageSaga
native american tribes did it, Mayans, Aztecs, English, Japanese, Chinese, Mongolians- even African tribes- so- yeah- everywhere but Antarctica- unless- ah right- King Penguins- there too
[16:09:37]
Ordithus
:ptv-snicker:
[16:09:47]
SageSaga
*Emperor Penguins - even better
[16:09:57]
Xexanoth
lol, for english the kid would be a half native and not count
[16:10:13]
Xexanoth
for most people really, but the stereotype is that germans are sticklers for rules so...
[16:10:23]
SageSaga
ha- go back far enough and they still crushed babies with stones
[16:11:15]
SageSaga
it took a while for England to come up with their rules for what counted as royal blood
[16:11:53]
SageSaga
XD even after they did there were lots of issues
[16:12:07]
SageSaga
turns out it's hard to prove one is ordained by God to rule over men-
[16:12:18]
Xexanoth
europeans having issues with their kings? nah, you must be joking XD
[16:12:24]
Ordithus
Democracy is so much less bloody an affair
[16:12:36]
Xexanoth
but with the same stupid results
[16:12:44]
SageSaga
nah sometimes worse
[16:12:56]
SageSaga
if you keep people dumb then your society is controlled by idiots
[16:13:17]
Xexanoth
if your kings are inbred idiots it's just as bad
[16:14:07]
SageSaga
its the problem with Democracy - my vote counts that same as that guy- you know who im talking about
[16:14:45]
Xexanoth
at least in democracy the presidents are bound by some laws
[16:14:56]
Xexanoth
so we got that going for us
[16:15:02]
SageSaga
<_<
[16:15:12]
Ordithus
Though constiutional monarchies tend towards the same
[16:16:23]
SageSaga
you have a serious problem when your government is arguing that their leader cant be prosecuted because they are the law.
[16:16:54]
Ordithus
That becomes the exact same thing as classic monarchies
[16:17:01]
Ordithus
Or dictatorshps
[16:17:34]
Bgrmystr2
it may as well be a dictatorship under a different name if you can't hold the leader responsible for stupid shit they did.
[16:18:06]
Ordithus
If they don't have to abide by law or other restrictions, it is one.
[16:18:38]
Xexanoth
they usually only have a limited immunity, depending on the crime or depending on the Vote of other governing bodies
[16:18:51]
Xexanoth
see: impeachement
[16:19:31]
Xexanoth
i mean, jsut take Trump, he recently lost the right to ban people on twitter
[16:19:54]
SageSaga
dont say it's name
[16:20:16]
Xexanoth
Voldemort?
[16:20:17]
Ordithus
He-who-shall-not-be-named
[16:20:22]
Xexanoth
XD
[16:20:39]
SageSaga
it has claimed it will just pardon itself of any wrong doing
[16:20:49]
Xexanoth
except he can't
[16:21:15]
Xexanoth
there's actual predecent(?) for that, that a president cannot pardon himself
[16:21:23]
Ordithus
That depends entirely upon what would happen if it was tried...
[16:21:26]
SageSaga
it's team says it can and thats more than enough to be upset
[16:22:10]
SageSaga
just saying it is an option should be reason enough to not trust it
[16:22:30]
Xexanoth
his team can say whatever it wants when the judicial system says something else...
[16:22:54]
Ordithus
The US has a somewhat unusual history of listening to the courts... I hope that continues
[16:23:28]
SageSaga
even if it's not correct- it's trying to manipulate the system it is supposed to stand for- it's already admitted it's goal now is to turn people against the FBI to win a popularity poll to prevent impeachment
[16:23:49]
Xexanoth
everyone always manipulates the system
[16:24:04]
Ordithus
I like how you keep using "it". Like "it" is a tentacle beast or something
[16:24:09]
Xexanoth
trump just does it much more obvious
[16:24:11]
Ordithus
:ptv-laugh:
[16:24:48]
Xexanoth
then again he targets the idiots, so....
[16:24:54]
SageSaga
exactly
[16:25:19]
SageSaga
that's the weakness of a democracy, the idiots that have a voice
[16:25:31]
SageSaga
my goal wouldnt be to take away that voice- but to educate it
[16:25:49]
Ordithus
When loyalty to a person trumps loyalty to an ideal...
[16:26:07]
SageSaga
the more intelligent a democratic nation the better off it becomes
[16:26:21]
Xexanoth
not really
[16:26:36]
Xexanoth
there's plenty of really smart people that stand for really stupid things
[16:26:54]
Xexanoth
you'd be surprised at how many smart people are in the alt right over here in europe
[16:27:27]
Ordithus
Lots of highly educated engineers support the tentacle monster...
[16:27:52]
MatyMaty
Don't worry Sage, eventually we will all be ruled by a god like A.I that will decide what is better for us based solely in logic :P
[16:27:58]
Ordithus
Heck, I know some engineers who believe in flat earth :ptv-unimpressed:
[16:28:00]
SageSaga
im aware- im also aware of their tactics, but i believe intelligent people are better equipped to handle intelligent monsters
[16:28:46]
SageSaga
smart nazis are able to lead a bunch of dumb people
[16:29:06]
Xexanoth
the problem is, the smarter everyone becomes, so do the monsters
[16:29:06]
Ordithus
It's not just general intelligence that is needed to prevent such things, though
[16:29:15]
SageSaga
but if all those dumb people were as smart as their "leaders" i think they could reason better and realize "Hey- being a Nazi is dumb"
[16:29:30]
Ordithus
Education in civics, and the ideals of democracy, law, equal rights...
[16:29:39]
Ordithus
That is probably more important.
[16:29:55]
SageSaga
which means more educated people
[16:30:07]
Bgrmystr2
which maens general intelligence. :v
[16:30:09]
Ordithus
Yes, though more specific
[16:30:19]
Bgrmystr2
there's a lot more to it than that
[16:30:48]
Bgrmystr2
that alone won't make a populous less-likely to be taken over by dumb
[16:31:05]
Bgrmystr2
it'll help though
[16:31:23]
SageSaga
yeah im giving a general solution - of course its more complicated than that
[16:31:34]
Ordithus
Yeah
[16:31:52]
Bgrmystr2
I was throwing that at Ord
[16:31:56]
SageSaga
but if everyone in your society is like a doctor you can trust them more to think things through than a guy who cant even read
[16:31:57]
Bgrmystr2
:u
[16:32:14]
w0lfmare
Morality, logic and intelligence
[16:32:21]
Xexanoth
with our powers combined
[16:32:29]
Bgrmystr2
we are captain planet?
[16:33:04]
SageSaga
well the further you get into logic the less Morality makes sense XD
[16:33:19]
Bgrmystr2
need a healthy balance
[16:33:36]
Xexanoth
^
[16:33:48]
w0lfmare
I think morality makes perfect sense
[16:34:08]
Bgrmystr2
too much intelligence will just turn us into a supercomputer.
[16:34:18]
Bgrmystr2
that.. gives people flash drives.
[16:34:20]
w0lfmare
Morality is what lets humans function as a society
[16:34:21]
Bgrmystr2
:v
[16:34:30]
Bgrmystr2
bonus points if you get the reference
[16:34:32]
Ordithus
Logic can't really define "good" or "bad", only utility
[16:35:12]
Bgrmystr2
thankfully we can use logic based on morals
[16:35:22]
Bgrmystr2
and the best way of achieving it
[16:36:03]
Bgrmystr2
one without the other is like missing a puzzle piece
[16:36:11]
SageSaga
Morality changes though based on many different things- you have morality ordained by God and you have personal morality- and then you have a bunch of people that are like "Morality isnt real at all"
[16:37:10]
Bgrmystr2
well, I mean.. what IS real, even? We're all in the matrix after all, sooo.
[16:37:25]
SageSaga
"My god says this is wrong so therefore it is wrong" "I say this is wrong because i want it to be" "Nothing is right or wrong"
[16:38:32]
Ordithus
All can be terrifying or good in their own ways... then again what is good even
[16:38:56]
SageSaga
here's a good example - Hurting people is wrong. Hurting animals is wrong. Hey- let's kill and eat that animal.
[16:39:34]
Xexanoth
well, it's "hurting for fun" that is wrong, not "hurting for a good reason"
[16:39:42]
Ordithus
If they didn't taste so good, we wouldn't have this problem :P
[16:39:53]
Xexanoth
hurting people isn'T wrong when you're trying to defend yourself from an attack etc...
[16:40:02]
w0lfmare
Some people use god as an excuse to ignore their morals. I don't think that counts as a functional moral compass
[16:40:33]
Xexanoth
everything is always depending on the situation so...
[16:40:40]
SageSaga
i dont think thats true w0lf
[16:40:49]
Xexanoth
wether it's logic or morality
[16:41:05]
SageSaga
i dont think people are using God to excuse their ignoring of their morals
[16:41:15]
SageSaga
i think they use God to justify their morals
[16:41:52]
SageSaga
they arent going out of their way and feeling bad about doing things because God said its ok- they do it because they want to and justify it being Gods will
[16:42:11]
SageSaga
people dont have a set of morals we must obey
[16:42:17]
SageSaga
we make up our own morals
[16:42:34]
SageSaga
and dont confuse Empathy with morals either
[16:42:48]
SageSaga
morals dont make you feel bad for breaking them
[16:44:45]
SageSaga
far as i can tell there is no moral code that stands up to scrutiny - but a moral code doesnt have to be a strict set of laws- it can change
[16:46:11]
SageSaga
lol - though Religion does offer up Moral Codes that they claim cannot be scrutinized because how dare a mere mortal try to say God is wrong XD
[16:47:34]
SageSaga
also it may surprise some of you to hear this based on what ive been saying but- im not Atheist
[16:47:42]
Ordithus
Well, that is logically consistent. Though different people adhering to the same professed religion will practice its morals differently
[16:48:01]
Ordithus
Based on their own internal view on morality
[16:48:38]
w0lfmare
Well my point is sort of getting lost here. My point is a good civilization is about more than just intelligence
[16:49:33]
w0lfmare
If we were all fine with killing eachother for fun, we wouldn't last very long
[16:50:44]
SageSaga
i generally define Intelligence as Education - and i generally define Education as being given the tools to properly examine and study an issue or things in a scientific manner. as well as being able to read, write and communicate
[16:51:27]
w0lfmare
I don't think it's wrong to consider a population with a good sense of right and wrong to be important
[16:51:29]
SageSaga
and the basics - Math, Language, Social Studies, History etc etc
[16:52:21]
SageSaga
i think it's difficult to determine if a society can determine what is right or wrong because its defined by morals-
[16:52:52]
SageSaga
a society might think they can tell what right or wrong is but that's from their perspective- you cant properly quantify it
[16:54:19]
SageSaga
for example - a society that had a population problem might believe it is morally right to kill every child beyond the 2nd child a family has
[16:54:57]
SageSaga
i assume from your perspective- as its mine too- that that would be horrible
[16:55:26]
SageSaga
i assume that because i also assume we have similar though im sure differing morals right?
[16:55:46]
Ordithus
We are all largely from similar cultures
[16:55:54]
Ordithus
(talking about us chatting here)
[16:56:10]
Ordithus
I don't think anyone here is into human sacrifice
[16:56:36]
SageSaga
(someone do the joke)
[16:58:30]
w0lfmare
There are a lot of moral dilemmas that are hard, if not impossible to solve, but there are easy choices
[17:00:41]
SageSaga
what kind of easy choices?
[17:00:49]
SageSaga
because i can make stuff complicated XD
[17:02:21]
SageSaga
"Like would you kill a baby?" "Is the baby Hitler? Suddenly it's either really hard or a really easy choice based on your morals!"
[17:02:28]
w0lfmare
Well most sane people consider human life to be valuble
[17:03:21]
w0lfmare
If morals are a scale of right and wrong, there is always going to be a "greater good" scenario
[17:03:31]
Ordithus
the greater good
[17:04:18]
w0lfmare
But the things that hold weight for the "good end" of the scale are a good place to start
[17:04:35]
SageSaga
i dunno - if we have to put a value on human life doesnt it go down with more people? :P
[17:05:30]
SageSaga
all im getting at is Morals arent a solid thing to base things on. That's my point- but! They are VERY important to our society.
[17:06:31]
w0lfmare
Things that let people coexist, like not stealing from or killing neighbors
[17:06:32]
SpazztasticKiwi
Power is back!
[17:07:07]
SageSaga
but we can base stuff like that on logic i think
[17:07:35]
w0lfmare
Okay would you feel better if I just said "logic and empathy"?
[17:08:00]
SageSaga
nope because Empathy has issues too- if we base it on Empathy we cant eat meat anymore!
[17:08:36]
Xexanoth
Just by your meat at the supermarket where no animals got harmed *shrug* XD
[17:08:38]
w0lfmare
Well that's why you can't have empathy alone :cw0lfmare-KiaHalo:
[17:08:53]
w0lfmare
just like you can't have just logic or just intelligence
[17:08:57]
Ordithus
Logic isn't an end goal though. What does logic have to say about an "ideal" society?
[17:09:05]
Ordithus
It's an incredibly value tool, though.
[17:09:18]
SageSaga
like i said- my definition of intelligence is different from IQ
[17:09:38]
SageSaga
im honestly not sure i trust IQ as a measurement of int at all
[17:09:46]
SpazztasticKiwi
There’s people that have a “plants have feeling too” thing
[17:10:28]
SageSaga
yeah but we can prove they dont have the capacity to feel anything XD
[17:11:09]
Ordithus
At least they can't fight back
[17:11:18]
w0lfmare
I thought we've proven that they can feel pain?
[17:11:23]
SageSaga
though i suppose they could believe in a soul like form that can
[17:11:35]
SageSaga
they lack a nervous system
[17:12:12]
SageSaga
their reactions to outside stimulus is chemical and physical only
[17:12:44]
SageSaga
there is no equivalent to a brain for them to process anything like pain
[17:13:04]
Ordithus
Got to go. Good talk, and the comic is looking nice! See ya later!
[17:13:19]
SageSaga
take care Ord!
[17:13:34]
Ordithus
peace~
[17:14:38]
SageSaga
my main issue with "it" is that "it" seems to think of everything in life as a Zero-Sum Game
[17:15:31]
SageSaga
which is preposterous in today's society and economy
[17:16:25]
SpazztasticKiwi
Justo because they “feel” it doesn’t mean they have understand it
[17:16:35]
w0lfmare
"Still more scientists surmise that plants can exhibit intelligent behavior without possessing a brain or conscious awareness"
[17:16:50]
w0lfmare
Reading an article about it
[17:16:53]
SpazztasticKiwi
I want to say that group of people is just saying it as a joke but
[17:17:16]
SpazztasticKiwi
It could also be a very real belief for some
[17:17:30]
w0lfmare
I think we don't understand plants well enough to know if they can feel pain
[17:17:49]
SageSaga
as we define pain or as i define it- they cannot
[17:18:14]
SageSaga
but- if something happens and we prove they can- i will adjust my way of thinking
[17:18:39]
RedDragonSyndicate
Hey dude!
[17:18:51]
SageSaga
but people claiming that trees scream while on fire because they release gasses - yeah thats a chemical reaction to BURNING XD
[17:19:02]
SageSaga
yo Red!
[17:19:25]
RedDragonSyndicate
Were you saying something about burning trees? D:
[17:19:30]
SageSaga
we are having a Philosophical discussion on morals and intelligence!
[17:19:42]
RedDragonSyndicate
Well then. Happy Saturday then
[17:19:58]
SageSaga
i know right? My Streams are smartypants
[17:19:59]
w0lfmare
Local scientist discovers brain within tree roots! World asks "How did we miss that?"
[17:20:39]
SpazztasticKiwi
For me, intelligence is measured on an individual scale and morals can be studied by looking at individual cultures
[17:20:42]
SageSaga
"Great- now before we cut down a tree we have to use this device to quickly and effectively kill the trees brain before we cut it down"
[17:21:38]
SageSaga
ha- i did it again- rewrote what i said half way though and made a redundant message
[17:21:48]
SpazztasticKiwi
Generally, of course. I always feel there can be exception(s)
[17:22:12]
SpazztasticKiwi
It came through as understandable
[17:22:58]
RedDragonSyndicate
Dat's a good look'n kitty there, Sage :3
[17:23:10]
SageSaga
she's in EVERY PANEL
[17:23:33]
RedDragonSyndicate
So as it should be ;)
[17:26:09]
w0lfmare
Exactly Sage
[17:29:30]
SpazztasticKiwi
And on morals and such - what can be said about someone who was taught one thing all their life but ended up never believing it?
[17:29:48]
SageSaga
depends on what it was
[17:30:09]
SageSaga
you can be taught something all your life and it not be a moral so -
[17:31:05]
SpazztasticKiwi
I was taught from the youngest age possible not to trust boys
[17:33:09]
SageSaga
yeah im not sure if that counts as a moral
[17:33:25]
SpazztasticKiwi
Dad told me a lot of odd things
[17:33:37]
SpazztasticKiwi
He was paranoid about stuff
[17:36:12]
SageSaga
depends on how far he went but Dads are often very protective of their children especially daughters
[17:36:24]
SageSaga
it's a trope too
[17:36:51]
SpazztasticKiwi
He was mentally ill
[17:37:06]
SpazztasticKiwi
Probably a good 90% or so of his reasoning
[17:37:11]
SageSaga
brb
[17:37:39]
SpazztasticKiwi
He wasn’t fond of doctors either
[17:42:20]
SageSaga
back
[17:59:06]
RedDragonSyndicate
wb
[18:01:38]
SageSaga
I had an idea for a Fathers Day Yosh! Filler but im not sure if i should do it
[18:08:28]
w0lfmare
What do your morals tell you?
[18:09:20]
SageSaga
hmmm- that some people might take it as insensitive
[18:09:50]
SpazztasticKiwi
I really wonder why they took out our Cajun roast beef when it was so popular
[18:10:02]
SageSaga
but only because they have been modified to calculate for people that are offended by everything?
[18:10:55]
w0lfmare
What's your idea? We can be your control group
[18:11:35]
SageSaga
well now i wanna make something up that's like really offensive-
[18:12:22]
SageSaga
just so yall can be like "Wait- you werent sure about THAT? Holy crap!"
[18:12:32]
MatyMaty
Something really offensive?
[18:12:44]
SageSaga
wb
[18:12:46]
MatyMaty
Cooked spaguetti with only ketchup as sauce? :v
[18:13:54]
Xexanoth
that's jsut normal student food
[18:14:05]
SageSaga
that's not only culturally offensive but offensive to my sense of taste and my regret of being unable to eat spaghetti anymore or have ketchup
[18:14:12]
MatyMaty
XD
[18:14:55]
MatyMaty
There was also the "sushi" made of plain rice balls with a goldfish cookie on top
[18:15:21]
SageSaga
you need to stop
[18:15:47]
MatyMaty
Or the margarita made of cheetos soaked in Monster energy drink and
[18:15:54]
MatyMaty
I'll stop :P
[18:16:23]
SpazztasticKiwi
The spaghetti with ketchup thing was from that honey boo boo thing
[18:16:52]
MatyMaty
spaghetti with ketchup is a borderline hate crime
[18:17:11]
Xexanoth
...
[18:17:26]
SageSaga
i dont know what honey boo boo is but it sounds depressing
[18:17:30]
Xexanoth
probably shouldn'T mention how often he eats spaghetti with ketchup
[18:17:43]
MatyMaty
Mmmmm
[18:17:48]
Bgrmystr2
to be fair, spaghetti sauce is a hate crime by itself
[18:17:48]
MatyMaty
Well Sage imagine
[18:17:50]
Bgrmystr2
so there's that
[18:17:56]
Bgrmystr2
not sure ketchup is any better
[18:18:01]
SageSaga
no
[18:18:02]
Bgrmystr2
but I wouldn't eat either.
[18:18:04]
SageSaga
lets not imagine
[18:18:16]
SageSaga
let's just continue not knowing or thinking about it
[18:18:19]
MatyMaty
children beauty pageants mixed with the most redneck, right leaning american stuff you can
[18:18:28]
MatyMaty
that's Honey Boo Boo
[18:18:39]
MatyMaty
aww XD
[18:18:42]
SageSaga
that's better
[18:18:45]
MatyMaty
I'll shut up :P
[18:19:28]
SpazztasticKiwi
Honey boo boo was a spin off of that toddlers and tiaras mess
[18:19:33]
MatyMaty
staph
[18:19:43]
MatyMaty
Sage has spoken
[18:20:12]
Xexanoth
that show was so messed up on every single level
[18:20:18]
Mihari
I go off and hunt one dreadqueen and what happens in here!
[18:20:27]
MatyMaty
Heya Mihari XD
[18:20:28]
SpazztasticKiwi
It focused on one of the families.
[18:20:33]
Xexanoth
i still have no idea how the fuck anyone involved in the production went: THis sound like a good idea
[18:20:48]
SpazztasticKiwi
They made the south look bad
[18:21:08]
Mihari
Umm, okay...
[18:21:19]
Xexanoth
mihari got hit in the crossfire
[18:21:24]
SpazztasticKiwi
What exactly am I doing wrong
[18:21:25]
Mihari
I did?
[18:21:30]
MatyMaty
she wasn't
[18:21:38]
MatyMaty
Spazz, just drop the subject
[18:21:41]
Mihari
I'm guessing you are talking about something and was already asked to stop.
[18:21:43]
SageSaga
my accuracy is unwavering
[18:21:48]
MatyMaty
That's enough cringe for a day
[18:21:50]
SageSaga
yep
[18:21:53]
SpazztasticKiwi
No I wasn’t
[18:21:56]
Xexanoth
i was more assuming on the confusion
[18:22:05]
Xexanoth
also im really tired
[18:24:37]
Bgrmystr2
So I walked away for like a minute and I have no idea wtf you guys did
[18:25:32]
SpazztasticKiwi
I was trying to explain something
[18:25:36]
SpazztasticKiwi
But nm
[18:25:44]
Xexanoth
we talked about terrible thing
[18:26:03]
Xexanoth
(mostly an atrocity to mankind but terrible fits too)
[18:26:50]
SageSaga
something i said not to explain or discuss
[18:28:08]
SpazztasticKiwi
Honey boo boo or unpleasant foods
[18:29:15]
SpazztasticKiwi
Well excuse me for asking
[18:30:46]
Xexanoth
the message about terrible food are still there if you scroll up so the answer is kinda obvious
[18:31:22]
SpazztasticKiwi
It wasn’t to me at first, so I asked
[18:31:34]
SpazztasticKiwi
But just nm now
[18:39:07]
SageSaga
im running out of time
[18:40:26]
SpazztasticKiwi
Sage I’m sorry. I don’t mean to be difficult I swear
[18:40:36]
SpazztasticKiwi
I just didn’t see right off
[18:42:02]
SageSaga
its ok dont worry about it- theres a reason why i was just deleting messages and not banning people- it wasnt a big deal but i did want to stop people from talking about it and i felt deleting the messages would get the point across
[18:42:30]
SpazztasticKiwi
I’m a good noodle :ptv-whiny:
[18:45:13]
SpazztasticKiwi
Well anyway enjoy the rest of your stream. I must go - the dishes need me
[18:45:31]
SageSaga
take care
[18:55:34]
SageSaga
done!
[18:55:37]
SageSaga
just in time too
[18:55:39]
SageSaga
whew
[18:55:44]
Twokinds
Congrats!
[18:55:52]
SageSaga
ty Tom
[18:55:54]
Twokinds
I was wondering if you'd make it
[18:55:57]
Grip
Grats ^^
[18:56:18]
MatyMaty
Congrats! <3
[18:57:05]
SageSaga
ty - hope this doesnt turn into the end of Neon Genesis
[18:58:11]
Twokinds
Congratulations! :clap::clap::clap:
[18:58:17]
Bgrmystr2
Congladurations :V
[18:59:02]
Bgrmystr2
also, page looks good sage
[19:01:34]
MatyMaty
Thank you for the stream hun!
[19:09:00]
Grip
Bye ^^
[19:17:50]
w0lfmare
Till next time
[19:35:13]
NeonMitsumi
:cneonmitsumi-arf: arf arf
[19:52:28]
CrRAR
:ctwokinds-maddiessparkles:
[20:43:39]
SpazztasticKiwi
It’s perfect
[20:44:39]
SpazztasticKiwi
We’re having one of the craziest thunderstorms rn. Lightning every 30 seconds or so
[20:57:11]
CrRAR
Thunderbuddy don't fail you now~
[21:15:03]
SpazztasticKiwi
Loud thunder too
[21:15:28]
SpazztasticKiwi
One clap set some people screaming in the back area of Walmart
[21:46:53]
SpazztasticKiwi
And I ran into those same boys that cornered me at McDonald’s a year ago
[22:15:00]
SpazztasticKiwi
Eventful day but tomorrow’s another. And we plan to see the new Jurassic Tuesday