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◄ Chat Log 24.04.2018 ►

[08:28:00] NightMeaty22 Good morning
[10:47:30] Barabashe4ka Hello
[14:40:09] Vatruvius Hello people! :ptv-greetings:
[14:41:17] SilliconCarbide hello vat!
[14:42:51] Bgrmystr2 :ptv-sleepy:
[14:42:54] SpazztasticKiwi My phone’s back up
[14:55:15] Vatruvius What happened to it?
[14:59:30] SpazztasticKiwi After losing our bill payment record (again), the company shut them off without warning
[15:04:42] Vatruvius Tge company lost the bill payment or you did?
[15:04:48] Vatruvius the*
[15:05:54] SpazztasticKiwi They supposedly either lost the confirmation of payment or somehow never got it
[15:06:01] SpazztasticKiwi We don’t get it either
[15:07:52] Vatruvius Well...welcome back!
[15:10:55] SpazztasticKiwi Watched some movies since I couldn’t do much else
[15:11:53] SpazztasticKiwi The Greatest Showman’s good
[15:18:23] Vatruvius I wanted to see that. Maybe I will rent it on Amazon or something sometime.
[15:19:18] Vatruvius Going on an ice cream run! Woo hoo!
[15:20:24] Vatruvius The best kind of run.
[18:13:13] TomFurson anyone here?
[18:16:33] Vatruvius Yup, it is rather lonely right now.
[18:19:18] TomFurson Just made a new drawing what to check it out?
[18:19:47] Vatruvius Sure, got nothing better to do. Just watching videos.
[18:19:55] TomFurson https://www.furaffinity.net/view/27125887/
[18:22:32] Vatruvius Neat, your original character?
[18:22:46] TomFurson yup
[18:26:10] Vatruvius Nice.
[18:27:46] TomFurson Just made that in a few hours. It use to take me 4 hour. that took me about 2
[18:29:45] Vatruvius Practice makes perfect. I may get into drawing more when I need it like for my D&D stuff but tgat has been left on the back burner for tge last few years since I lost my group.
[18:30:07] Vatruvius that* the*
[18:33:34] TomFurson That happens
[19:13:09] NightMeaty22 lurks
[19:56:05] Vatruvius Looking forward to my new computer. Yet another gaming laptop however they are the most affordable for what I am looking for. Now all I need is to save up some money, time to find a part time job for the summer.
[21:27:00] NightMeaty22 I need a job
[21:27:33] NightMeaty22 But...my dad will make me work for him
[21:27:53] NightMeaty22 So he can under pay me
[21:36:39] Bgrmystr2 get a job elsewhere
[21:36:42] Bgrmystr2 don't work for him
[21:36:44] Bgrmystr2 it's your choice, not his
[21:54:38] Vatruvius Anyone here familiar with pricy gaming headphones?
[21:56:02] Bgrmystr2 I tend to avoid headphones, myself, but you can always check out Turtle Beach. They're pretty decent. Have an EarForce X1 for the xbox 360 I got wayy back like.. oh jeez.. 12 years ago? maybe 13? still works
[21:56:25] Bgrmystr2 I only use the mic, but the earphones still work, I check em every so often
[21:59:04] Vatruvius I had Turtle Beach headphones for my xbox 360, best thing ever. I am curious about this Acer Galea 500 as I am looking at their Triton 700 laptop...I like to keep thing in brand but not if they outright rob me. Tge Galea 500 is $300 so, I have no idea if
[21:59:25] Vatruvius they are so good to warrant this cost.
[21:59:31] Vatruvius The*
[22:00:08] Bgrmystr2 I think most headphones are not worth the cost, but then again, I have zero reason to use headphones myself. I don't need to keep the sounds of what I'm doing all to myself.
[22:00:27] Bgrmystr2 so I may not be the best of persons for this
[22:01:01] Vatruvius It is hard to decide as i cannot find any reliable reviews for them.
[22:01:11] Bgrmystr2 it does help if you actually have a need for headphones or not. If you're in a noisy environment, or you'd be a bother to multiple other people.. then headphones may be a good idea
[22:01:21] Bgrmystr2 but I dunno anything about Triton
[22:01:27] Bgrmystr2 I kinda avoid everything Acer
[22:01:31] Bgrmystr2 never had anything quality from them
[22:01:37] Vatruvius This is for gaming.
[22:02:03] Bgrmystr2 tis what I'd be using em for too
[22:02:09] Bgrmystr2 gaming, watching shows, etc
[22:02:52] Vatruvius I have done hours of research and the Triton is the best for what I am looking for. I went to many other brands too, best one so this is a sure future puchase.
[22:03:59] Vatruvius ASUS, Razer, MSI, Gigabyte, to name some.
[22:04:58] Bgrmystr2 I dunno if any of them have decent headphones, but I'd still take ASUS and MSI since they have decent hardware capability
[22:05:16] Bgrmystr2 gigabyte tends to be average, though not bad, it's not like.. high quality
[22:05:30] Dadrobit If communication isn't a pressing issue for you, skip anything that's labled that it's "made for gaming". Senheiser 200 PRO or 280 PRO are fantastic sounding headsets and are incredibly comfy to wear for long periods.
[22:06:09] Dadrobit While still being very affordable
[22:06:15] Bgrmystr2 yeah was gonna say, 'made for gaming' is kinda somethin I see from razer, and their prices seem kind of a lot for what they sell
[22:06:46] Bgrmystr2 btw dadro, saw that movie you were talkin about the other day last night. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
[22:06:49] Bgrmystr2 was pretty good
[22:07:01] Bgrmystr2 figured I'd give it a go
[22:07:07] Dadrobit Glad to hear you enjoyed it :)
[22:09:14] Vatruvius I don't fall gor the "made for gaming" tag however that is Razer's motto. The headset would be for 7.1 surround and a good mic. I have owned several Tazer products and like them. I just do not know why the Galea 500 is $300 when I own the Razer Kraken 7.1
[22:09:24] Vatruvius V2 for $120.
[22:09:26] Dadrobit Classmate has a set of the 280 PRO and I'm lowkey a little jealous of how unreasonably comfortale they are.
[22:09:52] Vatruvius Razer*
[22:10:40] Bgrmystr2 I figure dadro would be a way better person to be talkin to about headphones than myself, being in the music industry and all
[22:11:07] Bgrmystr2 also, thanks for the movie recommendation :thumbsup:
[22:11:08] Dadrobit The 'made for gaming' bit wasn't supposed to be super literal lol, just meant it for any gaming centric headset company.
[22:11:16] Dadrobit My pleasure bgr.
[22:11:44] Bgrmystr2 ended up watching it after watching Edge of Tomorrow
[22:11:57] Bgrmystr2 was also pretty good
[22:13:03] Vatruvius I just want to make sure I am not paying a $100 brand name upcharge for them. Hopefully when I get my computer back I can do some better research and find a decent review.
[22:29:37] Dadrobit Looking into them, tbh, I'm super skeptical about anything that doesn't offer true 5.1 or 7.1. All virtual 5.1 or 7.1 means is that there is post processing done to the already processed audio coming into your stereo headsets that is just essentially
[22:30:35] Dadrobit just extra reverb with certain frequency filtering applied to it to give an illusion of surround sound.
[22:31:17] Dadrobit But that to me seems suer sketchy as it's done ~AFTER~ the audio has already been processed optimally for the media.
[22:32:32] Dadrobit And the .1 means that without a dedicated sub driver, it's just boosint the low frequency output of the stereo pair which is going to further induce harmonic distortion.
[22:32:38] Dadrobit boosting*
[22:33:24] Vatruvius I see, so key word to look for is "true 7.1 surround."
[22:33:53] Dadrobit That means that the speaker's ability to cleanly output mid and high range frequencies will be impaired while bass heavy stuff is going on and a loss of overall quality will happen.
[22:34:54] Bgrmystr2 Unless headphones actually have that many speakers in there, I would never trust anything that says it has more than Left and Right
[22:34:56] Vatruvius The only decent reviews I could find were on Amazon and apperentally the headphones are non-adjustable. Kinda of a break it feature for me. Like seriously, no adjustablitiy for $300?!
[22:35:23] Dadrobit To be honest, there's barely anything out there gaming wise that's even mixed for 5.1 to my knowledge. Going beyond that, I don't trust that a manufacturer can even place that many drivers in a headset with any real QA.
[22:36:34] Vatruvius I know the Kraken 7.1s I have tought "true 7.1" and it certainly sounds like they do. I am curious if some of the more expensive headsets do it better though.
[22:37:51] Dadrobit Nope, Kraken 7.1 is not true 7.1.
[22:37:54] Dadrobit Advanced 7.1 virtual surround sound engine The Razer Kraken 7.1 comes equipped with an advanced 7.1 virtual surround sound engine that immerses you deeper into the game. The engine is capable of ultra-low latency audio processing and modulates the audio
[22:38:09] Dadrobit source to simulate a 360⁰ surround sound experience that is usually achievable only by incorporating more than one positional driver in each ear cup.
[22:38:56] Vatruvius So what is an example of a true 7.1 headset?
[22:39:00] Dadrobit It's just stereo with extra processing.
[22:39:28] Dadrobit Dunno, but anything that says "virtual surround" is not.
[22:40:07] Dadrobit It's gonna probably be expensive as shit though.
[22:44:52] Vatruvius The Razer Tiamat is more pricer and claims 7.1 as well, says it has 10 drivers, 5 in each ear.
[22:45:07] Dadrobit STRIX 7.1 seems to be the real deal. $200. https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-STRIX-7-1-Gaming-Headset/dp/B00VMY069S
[22:45:08] Vatruvius Is that a good example of close to true 7.1?
[22:46:05] Dadrobit Though I can't vouch for actual quality.
[22:49:05] Dadrobit You're also banking on the media being mixed in 7.1. Otherwise it's just gonna get mixed down to stereo is potentially gonna get represented kind of awkwardly through 10 drivers of different sizes.
[22:49:19] Dadrobit stereo and is*
[22:51:10] Vatruvius I certainly feel like games represent their audio space in true 3D, or at least the one that have tge 7.1 option in the audio settings.
[22:52:00] Vatruvius A lot of tgem have the typical settings which is stereo, tv, or headset. Not sure if headset implies 7.1 or just 3D sound.
[22:52:06] Vatruvius them*
[22:53:32] Vatruvius And to be clear, if a headset has just 1 driver per ear cup is is virtual surround no matter how they advertise it?
[22:53:41] Vatruvius it*
[22:57:13] Bgrmystr2 if a headset has 1 drievr per ear cup, that's straight stereo. A Left and Right. That's it. Everything that sounds like it's more is all virtual surround.
[22:57:23] Bgrmystr2 driver* even
[22:57:37] Bgrmystr2 there's plenty that stereo can do to make it sound like surround
[22:58:10] Bgrmystr2 there's a lot of videos on youtube where, even with stereo, it sounds like stuff coming from behind you, or in front of you, or on the side.. and it's all stereo, not surround
[22:58:20] Bgrmystr2 it's entirely based on fooling your brain
[22:58:26] Bgrmystr2 there's a science to it
[22:58:32] Bgrmystr2 but it's still stereo.
[23:00:27] Dadrobit Looking around, it's really just the two aforementioned headsets for true 7.1. A common sentiment is that if you want to get quality out of the headsets, you're also going to want to buy an dedicated sound card for your computer as the onboard processors
[23:00:52] Dadrobit generally aren't made to handle 10 channels of audio all at once.
[23:01:24] Dadrobit Also, bgr is correct. If it only has two drivers, then it is stereo. Period.
[23:02:46] Bgrmystr2 I need to upgrade the center for my computer.. it's still stereo even if I have 2 tweeters, 3 woofers, and 3 subs..
[23:02:52] Bgrmystr2 dunno how I'd sort it though
[23:03:07] Dadrobit The way they simulate surround is by throwing a reverb on top of the regular audio. This reverb has frequencies in its reflections filtered out to simulate what a natural reflection would sound like coming through your skull.
[23:03:40] Vatruvius I missed so much...one sec...gotta read.
[23:03:48] Dadrobit It is then all compressed after that to make everything a bit louder so that you hear those reflections more in the mix.
[23:04:02] Dadrobit It's just an illusion.
[23:05:09] Vatruvius Came across a forum that really cleared it up.
[23:07:05] Vatruvius Basically, a true 7.1 headset is amazing if you get a sound card as well...no comparison. However, no soundcard is not much of an improvement to a virtual surround. Since I will not be getting a desktop/soundcard is a long time and plan to buy a laptop,
[23:07:47] Vatruvius which to my knowledge laptops do not have amazing soundcards, I should look for a good virtual surround headset.
[23:08:05] Bgrmystr2 any reason why you actually need virtual surround?
[23:08:21] Dadrobit It only hurts the representation.
[23:09:11] Dadrobit The virtual surround happens after the audio is already put out in stereo, it doesn't actually take what's happening in the mix into account.
[23:09:22] Vatruvius On top of that, the Galea 500 is $300 where tge two true 7.1 surround headphones are $200. That is just flat out robbing.
[23:10:33] Vatruvius I doneed virtual surround for my games, any bit of surround is important even if virtual. I do now that tge virtual surround works from flat out stereo and I cannot go back.
[23:11:06] Vatruvius know* the*
[23:11:30] Bgrmystr2 the problem is that what you're hearing from the virtual surround is not going to actually take into account where the audio is actually happening
[23:11:31] Dadrobit But it's not actually taking into account the placement of actors in the soundstage. It's just adding extra noise.
[23:12:29] Bgrmystr2 if you're playing a shooter for instance, and something happens behind you, the speakers won't actually know to play it from that perspective because the game isn't doing it with the audio to begin with
[23:12:41] Bgrmystr2 it has to be something planned from the beginning
[23:13:44] Vatruvius Meaning the games have to have surround support for my virtual surround headset to place sounds semi-realistically?
[23:14:12] Dadrobit Nope, still won't help.
[23:14:29] Bgrmystr2 the game has to actually have virtual surround built into the audio itself
[23:14:47] Bgrmystr2 when you see videos like this on youtube, with virtual audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA
[23:14:57] Bgrmystr2 it's made with that surround from the beginning
[23:15:17] Bgrmystr2 it already had the intention of making it into the illusion of being there
[23:15:19] Dadrobit Virtual surround is literally just the same stereo audio, played again as extra reverberations.
[23:15:42] Dadrobit With some frequencies taken out.
[23:16:13] Bgrmystr2 yeh, and even so, you're not going to find a game with virtual audio built into a stereo mix
[23:16:14] Vatruvius This is confusing because I know my current virtual surround headset does make at least some of my games have realistic sound placement. Or is tyat tge point of the trickery? Does my brain adjusts how it listens with these headphones to what I experience
[23:16:21] Vatruvius ingame?
[23:17:11] Bgrmystr2 some games MIGHT do it, but there's no reason for them to do so when most people don't want that.
[23:17:14] Dadrobit It's just trickery.
[23:17:20] Bgrmystr2 ^ prettymuch
[23:18:26] Bgrmystr2 if you listen to that barber shop video I linked, it'll sound pretty realistic, and that's the whole virtual surround thing happening
[23:18:51] Bgrmystr2 I listened to it with my headphones a while back, was pretty interesting what they can do
[23:19:04] Vatruvius I csn swear Rainbow Six Seige has realistic sound placement? But maybe that is why I cannot differenciate verticallity, just left, more left, or right, and more tight.
[23:19:16] Dadrobit Yup, it's a thing called divergence.
[23:19:50] Vatruvius Hmm... :thinking:
[23:20:30] Vatruvius I would listen to the video but I shipped my computer yesterday for repairs.
[23:20:43] Vatruvius On my phone right now.
[23:20:59] Bgrmystr2 do your headphones that you have not plug into your phone? :thinking:
[23:21:03] Dadrobit Any headset or earbuds will work.
[23:21:10] Bgrmystr2 anything will work yeah
[23:21:26] Vatruvius USB headset.
[23:21:27] Dadrobit Also, thank you for that video, it was fun to listen to.
[23:21:39] Bgrmystr2 :thumbsup: yeah those are pretty good stuff
[23:22:03] Vatruvius My 3.5mm earbuds are broke too. Just ordered a replacement.
[23:22:32] Vatruvius Wait...USB headphones are good?
[23:22:54] Vatruvius That is the only type of headphones I have talking about.
[23:23:44] Bgrmystr2 I guess it depends on how they work. Digital audio can be better than using jacks, but jacks go all the way to professional grade, and I don't know how high of a quality a usb connection goes
[23:24:16] Bgrmystr2 I do know that jacks do have electric interference sometimes, and that kinda stuff
[23:24:21] Vatruvius Literally everything I have beenbtalking about had USB connection in mind.
[23:24:36] Bgrmystr2 while USB connections like my computer's audio output is all 100% digital
[23:26:00] Vatruvius So, though my headset has 2 drivers, the USB connection means it has digital surround? Is tgat better tyan virtual surround, same thing? :ptv-wondering:
[23:26:02] Dadrobit USB is going to demand a good external or built in DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) while any 3.5 or 1/4 inch will require that your computer do that work.
[23:26:33] Vatruvius that* than*
[23:26:51] Bgrmystr2 it's a different thing, vatru. Digital vs analogue is how the audio is sent from the source to the drivers
[23:27:13] Vatruvius Oh...duh. That kind of digital.
[23:27:48] Bgrmystr2 it's just the difference of whether the audio is transferred from digital to analogue in your pc, or in your audio system base
[23:27:58] Bgrmystr2 mine's in my audio system, came with a USB input
[23:28:43] Bgrmystr2 but it's still stereo
[23:29:00] Vatruvius I see, so these USB connection means that these headsets can have a better virtual surround depending on tge type of support that is built into it?
[23:29:17] Vatruvius the*
[23:29:26] Bgrmystr2 well, it's just a different way of getting the audio from the source to the drivers you're listening to
[23:29:42] Dadrobit Virtual surround is completely independent factor.
[23:29:47] Vatruvius I am so confused!
[23:30:10] Dadrobit is a*
[23:30:10] Vatruvius I just want real surround sound!
[23:30:23] Bgrmystr2 yeh they're independent of each other. You can have digital connection and mono, stereo, or surround, or you can have analogue and have any of those as well
[23:30:36] Dadrobit Then buy a bunch of speakers and a sub and ditch the headset.
[23:30:44] Bgrmystr2 prettymuch ^
[23:31:49] Bgrmystr2 you can actually get large scale surround sub included for $100. They're not going to be super amazing best quality in the world or anything.. but it will be true surround
[23:31:50] Dadrobit Only way you're getting real surround that is faithful to the media is if the media supports it AND you have a setup that is true surround.
[23:32:07] Vatruvius Not going with that method, I like headphones.
[23:32:18] Bgrmystr2 then it won't be true surround :/
[23:32:38] Dadrobit Then spend your dosh on quality stereo.
[23:34:18] Vatruvius But all these headphones are advertising their 7.1 "virtual" surround. Though it is trickery, tgere has to be some sort of truth to it?
[23:34:31] Vatruvius there*
[23:34:58] Dadrobit The truth is that you're literally being sold an illusion at the cost of extra money and degradation to the original audio.
[23:35:10] Dadrobit But it does sound neat.
[23:35:19] Bgrmystr2 prettymuch xD
[23:37:38] Vatruvius *sigh*
[23:37:52] Vatruvius The more you know. :ptv-unimpressed:
[23:41:31] JDH yo the tk website just tried to give me a virus, fake or no, i shut that down..not the first time for me, any recomendations
[23:41:58] Bgrmystr2 sounds like you have adware already, possibly
[23:42:33] Dadrobit What was it, JDH?
[23:42:52] Vatruvius Run a security scan?
[23:43:08] Bgrmystr2 I'd recommend grabbing Malwarebytes anti-malware, and doing a scan with it, just to be on the safe side.
[23:43:09] JDH it was automated, prob just a troll or something
[23:43:15] Dadrobit I had something pop up a few weeks back and sent a notice to keenspot about it after I did a full cleanup of my system and found nothing.
[23:43:35] JDH i have the full version of norton plus firefo
[23:43:37] Bgrmystr2 there might actually be an ad on the website that is either giving false positives, or being a problem
[23:43:39] JDH firefox
[23:43:47] Bgrmystr2 norton is already a bad sign :x
[23:44:10] JDH but the message sounded like i was in a spaceship about to explode
[23:44:31] JDH prob just my stuff but a heads up to anyone
[23:45:12] Dadrobit Yup, same happened to me. Pop up box with a siren attached.
[23:45:14] Vatruvius I hate Norton, switched to umm...what was it called...Webroot.
[23:45:30] Dadrobit Something's up with Keenspot.
[23:45:46] Bgrmystr2 you think it's Keenspot?
[23:45:54] Bgrmystr2 hmm
[23:46:08] Vatruvius Never got that...but my Webroot has a integration into my Chrome browser.
[23:46:10] JDH could be, but i wouldnt hold anything past the interwebs
[23:46:14] Bgrmystr2 Well, a lot of people are reporting something from the site
[23:46:20] Dadrobit Same ad/virus happening on the same site to two different people.
[23:46:21] Bgrmystr2 this isn't the first time
[23:46:33] Bgrmystr2 I've heard at least 4 or 5 different people say something about it
[23:46:43] JDH oh snaps, guess im glad i brought up
[23:47:19] JDH i just closed the app, and it was fine after like 3 tries (me at least)
[23:47:22] Dadrobit I wish I had the foresight to screenshot it. Couldn't give much detail in my email to keenspot about it.
[23:47:46] Bgrmystr2 the popup doesn't open for me cuz I use Ublock on everything. I take zero chances. No ads, no chance for malware to pop out
[23:48:02] Dadrobit I just terminated the browser from the task manager. Didn't want to risk clicking anything hidden.
[23:48:17] Bgrmystr2 and even if it does pop up, Avast has active shields to block it
[23:48:45] JDH well, im heading to bed, just thought I would ask if anyone esle got something like, apparently so...so good to know!
[23:49:05] Dadrobit Yeah, glad (kind of) to hear it wasn't just me.
[23:49:05] JDH thought was just me lol
[23:49:34] Dadrobit Everybody was hatin' on me when I brought it up in a stream lol.
[23:49:41] JDH gotta love technology (spelling?)
[23:50:00] Dadrobit Correct spelling
[23:50:02] JDH well peace yall!
[23:50:04] Dadrobit Cya
[23:50:26] Bgrmystr2 generally, getting ads from a site that noone else is tends to lean towards the user being infected
[23:50:31] Dadrobit I'm gonna bounce for a bit myself and make some foods.
[23:50:45] Bgrmystr2 but yeah in this case, it looks more likely to be the site
[23:50:52] Bgrmystr2 have fun dadro :o
[23:54:45] Vatruvius So, one of the true 7.1 surround headsets has its own control box, is that the prod8version of a soundcard?
[23:55:11] Vatruvius products version*
[23:55:40] Bgrmystr2 does the control box connect via USB?
[23:55:48] Vatruvius Yes.
[23:56:07] Bgrmystr2 it might then, but I dunno. It's probably only for volume control reallly
[23:56:47] Vatruvius It says it allows the user to control volume and switch between surround and stero.
[23:57:20] Bgrmystr2 it's likely that the controlbox is just a sound control, and is not a replacement for a legit sound car
[23:57:23] Bgrmystr2 card* even
[23:57:40] Bgrmystr2 I've seen some sound cards go for $100 by themselves
[23:57:47] Bgrmystr2 that's not something you ship with a headset for free.
[23:58:01] Vatruvius Says this option is there so the user can switch depending on the media they are listening to.
[23:58:27] Vatruvius Like surround support mefia or not.
[23:58:40] Vatruvius supported media*
[23:59:03] Bgrmystr2 what's most likely happening is that even if it has multiple drivers, it still is likely going to be virtual surround.
[23:59:55] Bgrmystr2 since all of the speakers in the headset are going to be directly outside of your ear. they're not actually behind your ear, behind your head, in front of your face, it's not going to be something that you can tell just from the placement and audio reverb